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Re: Hello, Dynaboard

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pixiemaster wrote: post #9
getcrunk wrote: post #6

I understand why early stage products don't list pricing (the least of which is that they are in flux) but it makes me sad when I see interesting products that don't give me pricing. I end up having to writeoff/ignore the product because I don't have the mental space to remember it without pricing. and these days ill never sign up for someone's newsletter if I can help it!

a) good new products: they know they don’t know their products value yet, so you can actually offer what it’s worth to you and they will accept that. b) bad products: it’s an extortion play and they will get what they can. solution: a) if you need their product buy it, and plan how to migrate away from it b)buy their stock and hope that not much people plan how to migrate away.

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Re: Hello, Dynaboard

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Post by efsavage »

getcrunk wrote: post #6

I understand why early stage products don't list pricing (the least of which is that they are in flux) but it makes me sad when I see interesting products that don't give me pricing. I end up having to writeoff/ignore the product because I don't have the mental space to remember it without pricing. and these days ill never sign up for someone's newsletter if I can help it!

Pricing is a required signal for me to understand if the product is even worth the time to try. I don't want to spend hours or more tinkering and then find out the pricing is bonkers.

Seeing "coming soon" and "enterprise" on the pricing page is a guaranteed pass from me (but not a permanent one).

Re: Hello, Dynaboard

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Post by alexkern »

Hey HN, Dynaboard founder here. Sharing a bit more about how we built Dynaboard, since I think this audience will appreciate it. More will be shared in future blogs :)

Multiplayer: We used the YJS project (https://github.com/yjs/yjs) as the baseline for our multiplayer system. We created a thin harness around the client and ended up implementing our own server-side architecture to handle relaying between the various WebSocket servers. More on how we do this soon.

WebAssembly: Rather than running your custom code in an iframe, we run it inside a wasm-based sandbox, a compiled version of the QuickJS VM (yes, it's JS-in-JS). This approach gives you synchronous access to most of the DOM APIs without sacrificing safety. We do some fancy ES6 Proxy management to implement the FRP-like data binding system inside the VM. In production, the browser runs the project's precompiled bytecode. In the future, we plan to support other languages with a similar architecture (Python via Pyodide, Rust, Go, etc.).

Code editing: We use Monaco, the same editor that VS Code uses. We've had to create a handful of custom extensions, including a few custom language servers, to get it to be aware of the VM environment. I'm a vim-er so we will definitely have a vim mode.

Re: Hello, Dynaboard

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Post by pvg »

nine_k wrote: post #5
kodah wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may want to use Show HN for this.

Thanks, makes sense. Next time I'll remember! :)

You have to have something people can try for a show hn so it would have been too early for this post anyway.

Re: Hello, Dynaboard

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Post by ethanpil »

Looks like a great start. Would love to see more examples and or live demos of applications already built to get a feel for the final product.

I'm curious how this compares to AppGyver (https://www.appgyver.com) which was recently acquired by SAP. (I am not affiliated).

Re: Hello, Dynaboard

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Post by ziggus »

nhance wrote: post #10

Why would someone choose this over Microsoft's Power Platform or Salesforce's platform? Interesting tool, but it seems like it doesn't have a clear audience in mind. The end user seems to be "everybody" and that's a hard sale to make.

It's not only unclear at first glance who the audience is, but what the tool actually does. It seems like some kind of no-code tool at first, but then it mentions pair programming? I'm confused, and don't want to wade through a swamp of marketing text.

Re: Hello, Dynaboard

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Post by hungryforcodes »

ziggus wrote: post #16
nhance wrote: post #10

Why would someone choose this over Microsoft's Power Platform or Salesforce's platform? Interesting tool, but it seems like it doesn't have a clear audience in mind. The end user seems to be "everybody" and that's a hard sale to make.

It's not only unclear at first glance who the audience is, but what the tool actually does. It seems like some kind of no-code tool at first, but then it mentions pair programming? I'm confused, and don't want to wade through a swamp of marketing text.

I was confused about this too. Like how does it work? A web assembly sandbox...

Re: Hello, Dynaboard

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Post by speedgoose »

It sounds very interesting and I hope you will be successful.

How realistic hosting on-premise / in a private cloud without breaking the bank is? The price is "contact us" right now. I sometimes need to develop applications where privacy and GDPR is critical.

The current pricing per developer/user is not announced and I see that as a risk for me. I have been priced out of Retool, they wanted more money than two good full-stack senior developers, so I would like to know if your product is going to make sense for me before I invest time and resources in it. I'm currently using AppSmith.

Re: Hello, Dynaboard

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Post by alexkern »

ziggus wrote: post #16
nhance wrote: post #10

Why would someone choose this over Microsoft's Power Platform or Salesforce's platform? Interesting tool, but it seems like it doesn't have a clear audience in mind. The end user seems to be "everybody" and that's a hard sale to make.

It's not only unclear at first glance who the audience is, but what the tool actually does. It seems like some kind of no-code tool at first, but then it mentions pair programming? I'm confused, and don't want to wade through a swamp of marketing text.

We're decidedly a "low-code" or even “yes-code” tool. You use the drag-and-drop interface to design the app, while all of the app's logic is written in an in-browser text editor environment. Everything is multiplayer from day 1. It's an IDE in the style of VB6 / MS Access / FileMaker Pro, but built with modern web technologies at the foundation.

We're building for early-stage technical teams and independent developers that want to reduce the iteration time on prototype -> production apps.

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