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Porn sites will be legally required to verify users' age using credit card

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Post by Auracle »

lariati wrote: post #56
MathCodeLove wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is extremely dismissive of the issue, which does exist to some extent, even if its often over blown. The problem isn't "13 year olds being traumatized because they see sex on a screen" but "13 year olds developing porn addiction alongside their burgeoning sexuality". Porn addiction is a very real issue and todays youth is especially susceptible to it. Today a 13 y/o boy can see more breasts in an hour than every…

Exactly. We have no idea what this is doing to people. There is a shocking drop in the testosterone levels of young men from 1999 to 2016 per studies if you google it. 20-30% drop. The correlation in data would obviously be there but who knows about causation. I am 50 and didn't see hardcore porn until I was almost 18. Some kid got into his fathers porn collection and was playing it at a party. I still remember it wa…

Back before the modern age it probably wasn’t uncommon for children/teens to see actual people having sex in front of them.

Also, sperm levels have been dropping for far longer than internet porn has been a thing. It stands to reason they might share a cause.

There isn’t a solution. You can’t block teens from viewing porn. The best thing you can do is educate them that (most) porn isn’t a reflection of what most sex is like, and to watch out for porn addiction.

Re: Porn sites will be legally required to verify users' age using credit card

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Post by vidarh »

davidgh wrote: post #49
IIAOPSW wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Unless you understand what the problem actually is there will be no way to fix it. Oh that's easy. The problem is with society. No one is in any way damaged or traumatized cause they saw some sex on a screen at approximately 13 years old. Its ridiculous we go through the intrusive charade of trying to stop them. The problem is there is no problem.

There are a variety of documented undesirable side effects of heavy pornographic use [0],[1], including issues with mental health, sexual disfunction, and the ability to maintain normal romantic relationships. It may be hard to stop, but that doesn’t mean there’s not a problem. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7835260/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5039517/

Skimming these, neither of those papers appears to document any demonstrable links. They're relying on self reporting in surveys and case studies that seems to produce what is at best correlation, potentially heavily biased by the self-reporting from people who at least judging by the case studies I skim appears to have to some degree self-diagnosed issues they may or may not have been right about.

Re: Porn sites will be legally required to verify users' age using credit card

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Post by scrollaway »

tanseydavid wrote: post #62
scrollaway wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not in bad faith. The example you gave is emblematic of where the cultural differences are. Porn addiction may or may not be a problem but a puritan society only makes it worse. People freaking out about “what if a young’un sees the genitalia of the other gender” are, without fault, part of extreme puritan societies like the USA. There is a similar problem around alcohol addiction and without fault, you’ll find…

You need to recognize that your current understanding of Alcoholism is remarkably uninformed.

I am not talking about alcoholism. I'm talking about how relationships with "forbidden fruits" function. My comment was not a statement on alcoholism. My comment was not an absolute statement. I am not a doctor. I am not a dietitian. I am not a lawyer. I am not your lawyer. Stock prices fluctuate and you may get less money back than you put in. Capital at risk.

Re: Porn sites will be legally required to verify users' age using credit card

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Post by nybble41 »

consumer451 wrote: post #15
kuschkufan wrote: post #9

Let's assume porn websites implement this as required (fat chance). You'd be daft to enter your CC that associates you by name, home address, phone number and purchases to the porn videos that you'd look at. Who comes up with this stuff? Zeroknowledge proof based age verification service when?

I don’t know the shady data economy at all, but are there datasets out there which let you de-anonymize just via residential/mobile IP address or hostname? I just assumed there were, available to any very motivated party. And how effective and wide spread is browser fingerprinting to de-anon someone?

> I don’t know the shady data economy at all, but are there datasets out there which let you de-anonymize just via residential/mobile IP address or hostname?

Sure, and they're built using data collected from shady sites which ask for personal information such as CC details under dubious pretenses (like age verification) and associate it with the visitor's IP address.

These de-anonymizing datasets exist because of poorly considered policies exactly like the one being discussed here.

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Post by donkarma »

smus wrote: post #80
tekknik wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fruit and nudity are not the same. Fruit doesn’t trigger hormonal responses, nudity does.

Fruit absolutely triggers hormonal responses, what are you talking about?

by looking at it?

Re: Porn sites will be legally required to verify users' age using credit card

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Post by sdze »

tanseydavid wrote: post #61
sdze wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Porn addiction is a marketing gimmick from the sphere of „nofap“ and co snakeoil salesmen.

Can you point to any real world instance where someone is "marketing" NOFAP and profiting (or attempting to profit) from it? This assertion seems odd to me. More importantly: you should not assume that just because you do not suffer from porn addiction that others do not suffer from it.

a) Build a community around a topic b) Create an identifier for this community we are NoFap and We celebrate NoNutNovember c) Sell SELF-HELP books, merchandise and services around the topic in order to guilt trip people into believing this voodoo science. i.e. https://nofap.com/groups/

It's the oldest trick in the book.

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Post by cphoover »

donkarma wrote: post #87
hogrider wrote: post #54

Why are they so against minors watching porn when it's a normal part of sexual development?

how is it apart of normal sexual development?

a part*

"apart" means "to deviate from the rest of a group".

Re: Porn sites will be legally required to verify users' age using credit card

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Post by akomtu »

onion2k wrote: post #2

Studies show that half of 11 to 13-year-olds have seen pornography at some point. What's missing from that stat is where they saw porn. Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, Imgur, etc are full of porn but aren't technically porn sites. If that's where kids are accessing porn then blocking porn sites will not fix the problem. Unless you understand what the problem actually is there will be no way to fix it.

A bunch of stubborn purists have discovered that kids know more than they are "supposed" to know. I remember, I knew pretty much everything at the age of 6, and that was in a very strict and stubborn family.
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