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Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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Post by telotortium » Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 5:26 PM UTC

RHSeeger wrote: post #147

llampx wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Zoom here to stay or is video conferencing here to stay? Google Meets and MS Teams are pretty good and built into their respective Office suite products.

Every time I see I have a meeting with MS Teams, I get annoyed. - Most of the time, people don't setup a dialin number, so I can't use my phone - There's no way to display both the attendees list and the chat at the same time Those are two examples of things that just cause it to be an "also ran" in my mind. It's just missing a lot of the "nice to have" features; much the way Zoom did when it was first release... it…

Maybe I'm a different use case, but I would never use phone over the computer audio on zoom if I can help it. The phone call codec is so bad compared to modern codecs that I couldn't imagine preferring it. The only situation is if I'm on the road in an area that has really terrible mobile service but for some reason has better phone service.

In any case, I know that Google meets at least supports dialing in using phone.

Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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Post by mdoms » Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 5:26 PM UTC

dehrmann wrote: post #116

dkobia wrote: post #54

Peloton has pretty expensive products and induces the same reaction folks had to iPhones before other companies released similarly priced flagships. Generally I think it's easy to hate on these products if you don't have one. I was pretty skeptical myself. "Was", because my partner picked up the Peloton Bike and subsequently the Peloton Tread. Like some other comments here, the almost cultish following is quite fasci…

> Peloton has pretty expensive products You can buy a set of kettlebells up to 24kg, a barbell, and enough plates to make 315 lbs for the cost of a Peloton. Completely different crowd, though.

How is a bunch of weight equipment relevant to a discussion on cardio equipment?

Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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Post by AlwaysRock » Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 5:27 PM UTC

dehrmann wrote: post #116

dkobia wrote: post #54

Peloton has pretty expensive products and induces the same reaction folks had to iPhones before other companies released similarly priced flagships. Generally I think it's easy to hate on these products if you don't have one. I was pretty skeptical myself. "Was", because my partner picked up the Peloton Bike and subsequently the Peloton Tread. Like some other comments here, the almost cultish following is quite fasci…

> Peloton has pretty expensive products You can buy a set of kettlebells up to 24kg, a barbell, and enough plates to make 315 lbs for the cost of a Peloton. Completely different crowd, though.

Right. And you'd need a fairly large area to take advantage of those items. It's easy to store away some kettlebells but once you get a bar and a bench you really need a dedicated workout space. A bike is much easier to roll in and out of the way. In my last apartment a bike was feasible even if it wasnt ideal for the space. Any type of barbell was too large.

Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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Post by tomrod » Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 5:27 PM UTC

davidhyde wrote: post #81

llampx wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Zoom here to stay or is video conferencing here to stay? Google Meets and MS Teams are pretty good and built into their respective Office suite products.

Low friction web rtc based tools like streamyard and jitsi meet will probably become more popular than “native” apps like zoom and teams which tend to get slower and just generally worse as they are updated especially with large corporates driving the feature bloat.

Haven't heard about stream yard. Thanks for the reference!

Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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Post by dan_quixote » Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 5:29 PM UTC

RHSeeger wrote: post #147

llampx wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Zoom here to stay or is video conferencing here to stay? Google Meets and MS Teams are pretty good and built into their respective Office suite products.

Every time I see I have a meeting with MS Teams, I get annoyed. - Most of the time, people don't setup a dialin number, so I can't use my phone - There's no way to display both the attendees list and the chat at the same time Those are two examples of things that just cause it to be an "also ran" in my mind. It's just missing a lot of the "nice to have" features; much the way Zoom did when it was first release... it…

Teams has good features. Lots of good features. Too many good features, really. And they're assembled in the most confusing/annoying/exhausting way.

I've given it a fair shake (probably in the hundreds of hours of video conferencing) and I still feel like I don't understand how I'm supposed to use it for anything but pure video conferencing.

Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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Post by mdoms » Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 5:29 PM UTC

onion2k wrote: post #14

hadrien01 wrote: post #3

They had 2800 employees?! Why? Their product is a home bike with a screen. Plus some developers and their TV crews, I don't see how you can get to such a number

All your comment really shows is how little you know about how many people it takes to run a large business, and that you don't really understand what Peleton do. Peleton design and manufacture their own equipment, they ship it globally, they have their own buyers and supply chains for that, They also build the tech that runs their business, from the customer portal to the video integration in the products. They make…

They definitely do not ship globally.

Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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Post by Aaronstotle » Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 5:29 PM UTC

no_wizard wrote: post #13

I think we’re starting to see a bit of “post pandemic” economic factors and that explains some of the shake up on Wall Street as of late. I always felt this about Peloton more than anything though, that it was not going to be able to sustain growth numbers as the pandemic when either of these came to pass: 1) ended officially 2) waned on to the point that it became "normalized" in how to handle day to day activities…

Google Meet is so much better than Zoom & MS Teams, that being said I think Zoom has entrenched itself in plenty of businesses and people won't transition away.

Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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Post by gnicholas » Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 5:30 PM UTC

RHSeeger wrote: post #147

llampx wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Zoom here to stay or is video conferencing here to stay? Google Meets and MS Teams are pretty good and built into their respective Office suite products.

Every time I see I have a meeting with MS Teams, I get annoyed. - Most of the time, people don't setup a dialin number, so I can't use my phone - There's no way to display both the attendees list and the chat at the same time Those are two examples of things that just cause it to be an "also ran" in my mind. It's just missing a lot of the "nice to have" features; much the way Zoom did when it was first release... it…

Second this. The Teams application rarely works on my vanilla setup (MBP, latest OS). And every time you run it, it reinserts itself into your Login Items — even if you've previously removed it.

This is malware behavior, plain and simple.

Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 » Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 5:30 PM UTC

thebigman433 wrote: post #126

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #106

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I don't see it as rent seeking since there are production costs to these classes but $40 is way too high. $2 is more like it.

2$/month would pay for nothing essentially. You get unlimited classes for the 40$/month, which is cheaper than going to most fitness classes more than a few times. Even in the middle of my small town, drop in classes at the gym at 8$ each, on top of your monthly membership. Fwiw I dont own a Peloton, I prefer running, I just dont think its nearly as bad of a deal as people make it out to be

I'm not a user either but $40 at their current subscriber number comes in at a quarter billion dollars of revenue. How come everything else takes advantage of economies of scale but not virtual goods? $2 a month at scale would be great. Even greater if they allowed you to log into any of a number of fitness video services.

Re: Peloton replaces CEO and lays off 2,800 people

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Post by Teknoman117 » Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 5:30 PM UTC

pc86 wrote: post #155

RHSeeger wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time I see I have a meeting with MS Teams, I get annoyed. - Most of the time, people don't setup a dialin number, so I can't use my phone - There's no way to display both the attendees list and the chat at the same time Those are two examples of things that just cause it to be an "also ran" in my mind. It's just missing a lot of the "nice to have" features; much the way Zoom did when it was first release... it…

This is completely personal preference and I would never enforce it, but I hate when people dial in to a video conference or other meeting. Even when the camera is off, having 10 people on a call but 15 attendees that include a bunch of random phone numbers, combined with not having any idea who is speaking if you don't know everyone's voice by heart, makes it a very suboptimal experience. If everyone had a nice came…

I had already built a nice audio setup pre-pandemic because I play games with friends every other evening for the most part.

4K webcam (Logitech BRIO), Blue Yeti for the microphone + a pop filter and a shock mount, and my noise cancelling headphones. All together they cost a fraction of what my work laptop does.

No one complains about my audio. Except when teams decides to randomly switch back to the built-in laptop mic which is hideous as it's right next to the cooling fans...