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Apple unveils contactless payments via Tap to Pay on iPhone

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Is this only for merchants? I feel like here in the US we still don't have a great way to send money back and forth with friends and family. Zelle is decent if both parties' banks support it, but otherwise I've tried Google Pay, Paypal, Venmo, and they all have some problem or another. A lot of them (I'm looking at you PayPal) require you to give them your bank username and password!

If I had to guess this will reuse their Apple Pay Merchant IDs, or at least I'm really hoping that's the case. If so any iOS dev that sets that up could use this (and has a payment processor to work with).

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worth mentioning that this seems a problem limited to the US. Even in Canada, the smallest of towns will have contactless payment. Many Canadians don't really use cash because interac/credit cards have all supported tap to pay for over a decade now.

To be clear, the US has contactless payments all over and probably has had them since ~2015, it just took some time for people to "discover" them.

A lot of POS's support contactless payments, but they were kind of flaky for the first two years, and...oddly slow.

Fred Meyers here in WA still doesn't support contactless payments (QFC, owned by the same company, does, however), annoying since I still have to shop there often.

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The long slow road to contactless payments. Almost 2 decades along in the technology adoption curve. I was ready for this in 2005. https://money.howstuffworks.com/personal-finance/debt-manage... If course as the article points out, it wasn’t even new technology back then: “ Not Exactly New Tech Mobile introduced the Speedpass in 1997. Speedpass is a small device on a keychain (called a fob) that users wave in front o…

Something I was thinking about the other day is how some modern credit cards technically have four different ways to pay. Swiping pressure-sensitive paper over the raised numbers (the original method) is still possible, though I haven't seen a merchant actually do this since maybe the mid-2000's. Then you have magstripe, chip, and RFID all in the same card. Pretty impressive backwards compatibility, although I think…

Only one of my cards actually has raised numbers and its about to expire, so will probably get a completely flat one that replaces it as well. 2 of my cards are tap only, the mag stripe is gone - they are also store-specific cards, so that might have something to do with it.

Master card said they will start phasing out mag strip in 2024.

Soon enough tap/dip will be the only way.

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Hacker News is such a bizarre place. On the one hand, we have threads about how browsers are fingerprintable and some app is using telemetry and endless discussions on theoretical zero-knowledge protocols and the importance of cryptography and Snowden saying this and that that get voted up to the top. On the other hand, something like this comes up which is basically another step along the "no-one accepts cash" funne…

How long before some stores don't accept cash? How long before banks do a background check (taking weeks) before giving you cash?

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I've only just gotten used to the slide-it-in-the-slot kind. Whatever that's called. The thing that's replacing the magnetic stripes, more or less. I always forget about contactless. I think all my cards can do it? Not knowing for sure is why I never try, and just stick the card in the slot, which always works. I think I've paid with my phone one time ever. For some reason I can't bring myself to trust it to work 100…

> I've only just gotten used to the slide-it-in-the-slot kind. I always called this "chip". My UK friends called it "chip-and-pin" in 2012. But yeah, no idea what the technical or widely-accepted colloquial terms are. > Not knowing for sure is why I never try, and just stick the card in the slot Yeah, for some reason the UX for contactless is terrible. Sometimes something will show four evenly-spaced green lights (an…

> Mostly on iOS I'm often trying to pay quickly and I try to activate the contactless payment but I'll end up turning my phone off or I'll try to bring up my card before my phone is close enough.

Having an Apple watch helps out a lot here. I can't do it on my phone either, but on my watch it is trivial.

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This is really freaking cool and a long time coming. It's sad that iPads are left out since those are the primary POS device that stores use (off the shelf device at least) but I look forward to testing this out when they release it. I need to support swipe/dip so I'll have to stick with my BTLE device for that but this would be cool addition to have contactless-only checkout stations manned by people with iPhones.

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Question for anyone in the know at Stripe ... does this make a iPhone work like the existing BBPOS WisePOS terminals and able to interact with a web app _without_ any code running on the phone itself (other than Stripe's) Or is it more akin to the BBPOS Chipper readers and still needs a custom mobile app to interact with? ie: can a platform built on Stripe use this for their customers without needing to supply a mobi…

It's designed to work through a mobile app via the iOS SDK: https://stripe.com/docs/terminal/payments/setup-sdk?terminal....

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The long slow road to contactless payments. Almost 2 decades along in the technology adoption curve. I was ready for this in 2005. https://money.howstuffworks.com/personal-finance/debt-manage... If course as the article points out, it wasn’t even new technology back then: “ Not Exactly New Tech Mobile introduced the Speedpass in 1997. Speedpass is a small device on a keychain (called a fob) that users wave in front o…

Something I was thinking about the other day is how some modern credit cards technically have four different ways to pay. Swiping pressure-sensitive paper over the raised numbers (the original method) is still possible, though I haven't seen a merchant actually do this since maybe the mid-2000's. Then you have magstripe, chip, and RFID all in the same card. Pretty impressive backwards compatibility, although I think…

On at least one of my cards magstripe is officially considered a legacy feature, I have to explicitly request that it's enabled if I'm travelling to a place likely to make use of magstripe payments, and it will only remain enabled for one or two weeks.

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Thanks, I was actually pretty confused by this at first glance. As a non-Apple-user I've never personally used the feature, but I still thought that stuff like Tap to Pay was a somewhat large selling point for the Apple Watch. So for a second I wondered if I had just been drastically misunderstanding how that worked for a long time and had somehow never actually checked/verified that iPhones/Watch could do that.

I use it nearly every day and definitely for almost every purchase I make. I no longer carry around a wallet now that digital IDs are a thing and have only had 1 situation in the last 6 months where I needed a physical card because they had TTP disabled on their terminal.

Walmart and Home Depot seem to be major holdouts in the U.S. I wonder what they’re waiting for.
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