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Ask HN: Where do you find your sense of purpose working in the private sector?

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Re: Ask HN: Where do you find your sense of purpose working in the private sector?

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Point #1 - you are going to find the same bureaucracy, aversion to change and outdated technology at any large for-profit company.

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Point #2 - I do not understand how anyone could have a sense of purpose working in the public sector. Around me, every level of government is filled with low levels of corruption. Our municipal workers do things like "buy 15 years of service" for $3,600 to jack up their retirement benefits by $40,000 per year. Or they work 120 hours per week overtime in the last year before retirement. All legal because it's approved by the managers. One manager of a municipality near me embezzled $3.6 million over about a decade. She's in jail now. Failed project after failed project, no accountability for money spent. I once worked for a company who had a local municipality as a customer. One municipal employee called me saying their printer wasn't working. I figured I'd walk her through some basic troubleshooting tasks but before I got the first one out she said, "Can you just come out?" Her printer power cord was unplugged. The entire office was sitting around talking like they had nothing to do while I plugged the printer in and it worked right away.

Re: Ask HN: Where do you find your sense of purpose working in the private sector?

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I worked in public sector and was constantly bothered by the wastful.spending unaccpuntability, bull#@$ and politics. It was like a British of a fresh air to move to private sector. By comparison way more efficiently way less bull#$#@ and way less politics IMHO.

If I were to work for Meta, my sense of purpose would probably be that we help connect people around the world. Billions of people love and enjoy our product.

If I worked for Uber, I would feel pride how we've helped many people move around especially these without a lot of means.

If I worked for Amazon I'd be proud how we increase productivity across the world.

And on and on...

So for me at least it is the other way around, how can you feel purpose when you know your work can be done xN times more efficient? When you see through empty claims and politics to fight for budget.

Re: Ask HN: Where do you find your sense of purpose working in the private sector?

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I find fulfillment from solving hard problems through my own cleverness. I wouldn't work on something that hurts people but I also don't care about the end results beyond proving to myself that I can.

What kind of hard problems, may I know?

In my case I'm a direct response marketer, so it's finding ways to maximize volume and decrease cost per customer acquisition in very competitive spaces. A very different thing than what most developers would think of as a hard problem.

I find direct response marketing fascinating because in a way its discovering truth - not what people say the want, but what they actually take action on.

Re: Ask HN: Where do you find your sense of purpose working in the private sector?

#95
I don't. I find my purpose in what I'm able to do because I'm employed, not in employment. I can't donate time and money because I have both. I can spend time with my family because we're not struggling to pay our bills, requiring a "side hustle." I can put my kid in a school that supports out value I'm science and not worry about book bans that avoid complex subjects because I can afford it.

I am not what I do for money. I am what I do with it.

Re: Ask HN: Where do you find your sense of purpose working in the private sector?

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I worked at a gaggle of jobs for anywhere from a week up to a year and a half or so before I got my current job, where I've been for over five years now (and I imagine I have at least another two if not more, but that's all logistics). I work for TRD writing software for their NASCAR teams. It's very challenging on and under the surface, great fun, and the company has been very good to me. We have no paying customers and the user base is very small so the pressure is high but not in the way that you get with paying customers. We can set a ton of the expectations and limits of our software, and our few users are generally easy to please. Oh yeah, and we're fully remote with generous expectations for hours. My work/life balance is amazing, even (especially?) compared to my peers in Big Tech Co, some of which left us for them.

On the downsides, the team is small and ownership is often siloed which can ramp up pressure. Also, races happen on Friday thru Sunday typically so those of us working on live software trade some weekdays for weekends (remote work has made this way less of an issue). The pay is above average, but we can't compete with Big Tech Co. in the same state, so retaining ambitious people can be difficult. Finally, we move quickly and often don't really have time to go back and refactor/restructure old projects on official hours, which can make transitions difficult.

Motorsports may not be my passion, and it may have taken awhile to get here, but I'm really quite happy here.

Re: Ask HN: Where do you find your sense of purpose working in the private sector?

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Kudos, but is there a flip side of the coin, where the software you write can cost someone life (if you screw something up/introduce a bug)?

Is that a downside? Clearly if his code hadn't worked those 2 people would not be alive right now, so in that sense yes bugs will kill people. But if there is no consequence on the world when you write bugs, can there be purpose in the work?

Not a downside per se, but I wonder how, in the context of other engineering disciplines which are highly formalized, software engineering fits in. One of the typical arguments against the feasibility of formalizing and licensing software engineers as PEs (in the USA) is that the stuff we create "cannot kill anyone" unlike, for example, a civil engineer whose work is very structured and vetted.

Re: Ask HN: Where do you find your sense of purpose working in the private sector?

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I work for companies that create things I find valuable. Currently I work for a company that makes electric vehicle chargers. Previously, I worked for a company that was making software to help streamline medical approvals. Profit is a requirement for these companies to exist, but they are creating things that do good in the world. That said, to me the purpose of life isn't in work. It's more that I want to feel that…

>I work for companies that create things I find valuable. I've found this to be really important for my satisfaction. My current employer ships food to people who otherwise would have a tough time getting nutritious food (largely Medicare patients). This helps people age in their homes and delays the need and cost of nursing homes. It improves people's health outcomes significantly. The work I do every day helps that…

Exactly. And people get to choose whether they buy them or not. So you know if people are spending their hard earned money, they want them.

There are definitely times when governments need to force the people to work collectively and spend tax dollars together, but there are many times when they don't. For instance, I don't drive a car very much and when I do, I'm happy with dirt roads. I would much rather we didn't spend billions on roads and maintenance. Other people will have a different list of seemingly wasted spending.

The great thing about the private sector is you're letting people choose. That's not just a selfish act either because it unlocks their power to guide society. The consumers in a free society are a hive mind. The proles in a centrally-controlled society are just blobs that sit there.

Re: Ask HN: Where do you find your sense of purpose working in the private sector?

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There are plenty of mission driven private sector companies. Find one with a mission you align with. For me, it is really rewarding to help people create and upskill tech careers at Pluralsight.

I regularly hear stories or see posts online about people going from low wage jobs to a web dev career within a year using Pluralsight. Making an annual income nobody in their family has ever gotten close to making before. Transformative.

Re: Ask HN: Where do you find your sense of purpose working in the private sector?

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I work for companies that create things I find valuable. Currently I work for a company that makes electric vehicle chargers. Previously, I worked for a company that was making software to help streamline medical approvals. Profit is a requirement for these companies to exist, but they are creating things that do good in the world. That said, to me the purpose of life isn't in work. It's more that I want to feel that…

>I work for companies that create things I find valuable. I've found this to be really important for my satisfaction. My current employer ships food to people who otherwise would have a tough time getting nutritious food (largely Medicare patients). This helps people age in their homes and delays the need and cost of nursing homes. It improves people's health outcomes significantly. The work I do every day helps that…

I'm genuinely glad to hear that you've found a mission-driven workplace with a healthy, supportive work culture.

In my experience, I've found that many mission-driven workplaces use the righteousness of the company's purpose to justify pressure tactics paired with low pay. This is a commonly-reported experience at non-profits and even for-profit companies like SpaceX.

I'm now at a crossroads where I'm seriously considering working for companies that don't create particularly useful things for society, but where the culture is better to work at. The ideal would be to find a company with both a good purpose and a positive work culture, but I believe these are hard to find.

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