I am religious so have given your question much thought over the years. For me purpose is found in my faith, my family, my church and my work. Whether you are religious or not I think the takeaway is that purpose is a combination of factors. My work enables to look after my family and do other things. I am happy if I get to use my skills at work. Don't put all your eggs in one basket :-)
Ask HN: Where do you find your sense of purpose working in the private sector?
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
I work in healthcare technology. The software I wrote saved two people's life last week. So, yeah. Purpose.
Kudos, but is there a flip side of the coin, where the software you write can cost someone life (if you screw something up/introduce a bug)?
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#63My mid-size (140) well-run company is as healthy a human environment as I'm likely to find. Toxic bicycle associations I've been part of, or sleepy public sector workplaces I've known, have helped set my expectations. So I've absolutely no problem that my company makes a wholesome profit for it's founders. I see a little bit of it, and I'd much rather be coding than doing what they do.
Developer culture, as it's matured, is fairly remarkable for it's openess and flatness, and I'm mostly very happy with the company of developers and their weird hobbies. More women would be nice.
Despite the predictions that it would all move to India, developers have been constantly in demand since I started doing this 25 years ago. It's let me travel and work wherever I want, and now it's going to let me work remotely so I can spend time with ageing parents on the other side of the world. WTF. I must have been very good in a past life.
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#64Finding your sense of purpose in your work is bad, IMO, unless you own the company or have a similar position. I don't want my self-worth to be tied to an employer or market that can get rid of me any time. It's just a job. At best, I work in places that aren't morally against my values.
For the past 6 years I've been doing data work for government contractors. I feel no sense of purpose with the work I produce and I'm happier in my life than at most any point.
My partner works for a pharmaceutical lab and does world changing work. They work on cancer drugs, COVID vaccines, etc. It's a meat grinder and she and all her coworkers hate it.
The first question you need to answer for yourself is what is your purpose in life, what makes you happy, how do you want to spend the days you have. Then ask yourself how to structure your work and life to serve those goals. For me that means not having to care about work, and I'm much happier with my life now that I don't.
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#65Currently I work on a mid-size corporation (when I joined it was a small startup). At the end of the day, the main outcome of the time I invest at work is making some already-rich investor potentially richer. I don't find that part particularly motivating.
I have also worked on the public sector. I encountered resistance to change, and outdated technology. It helped a little bit when someone I really disliked was voted and took power. I understood better what they were up against :) . But yes, during my time at the public sector I was really motivated. It took a lot of effort and it didn't always pan out, but sometimes I would really feel that my work was benefitting society as a whole. I'm not going to lie, I often miss that.
The problem with that public sector job I got: there was no project manager. Politicians with very little project management experience were directing the developers. It was ... intense. The project sort of worked at the end, but it almost costed me my sanity. I got an offer in the private sector and I quit before the term was done.
My current job has project managers. And product owners. Things are planned. The world sends us curveballs. We reprioritize. There is little drama. My team is international, so I get to interact with lots of interesting people from all around the world. And we do open source work, which helps the world a little bit. And yes, the pay is better. I wouldn't say that I have "found purpose" on this work, but I have found other things that the other job didn't offer.
(By the way, if someone is looking for work, I currently work at Kong. I am personally looking for people in Europe with experience in Nginx/Openresty in particular. If that's you, I really want to talk to you! If not, we have many open positions[1] all around the world, remote, with several technologies)
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#66I work for companies that create things I find valuable. Currently I work for a company that makes electric vehicle chargers. Previously, I worked for a company that was making software to help streamline medical approvals. Profit is a requirement for these companies to exist, but they are creating things that do good in the world. That said, to me the purpose of life isn't in work. It's more that I want to feel that…
I've found this to be really important for my satisfaction. My current employer ships food to people who otherwise would have a tough time getting nutritious food (largely Medicare patients). This helps people age in their homes and delays the need and cost of nursing homes. It improves people's health outcomes significantly.
The work I do every day helps that happen more efficiently. This helps us offer the services in more areas, remain competitive, and help more people. It's a for-profit company, but we get lots of amazing feedback about how much of a difference we make in people's lives.
The team you end up with is also incredibly important. I have a great team, and have found other teams I work with to share a similar passion and mission driven focus. This is the first company I've worked with that has a really strong "feel good" aspect to it, so I'm not sure if the mission focus comes with these types of employers, or if that's something my employer specifically focuses on.
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#67I read of Wil Reynolds and Seer Interactive[1] yesterday. It's inspiring.
Other than suggesting you apply for a job there, one thing to consider is starting your own business. Never having worked in business is not an issue: you need a basic nose for marketing / advertising, a willingness to work hard, and something you think people will spend money for. Find a sense of purpose by doing what you want: what you find fulfilling. What would you spend money on? Then organise your business to fit your ethics.
[1] https://thephiladelphiacitizen.org/wil-reynolds-seer-interac...
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#68This isn't necessarily the case in the public sector. You don't have the same price signals to give a real metric on whether the work you are doing is actually productive. For all you know, it could be a giant waste of taxpayer money. Because the government usually monopolizes whatever product or service it is providing, there is often nothing to compare it to to inform you whether the capital is being used effectively, and the money itself is sourced involuntarily from taxpayers. Would your creditors really want to pay for what you are doing, if given the choice, and are you certain that the private sector could not provide it in a more cost-effective way for the taxpayer if they weren't prevented by regulation?
Profit should not be looked upon negatively. If you are profiting, and you are not a tax cheat, you are contributing positively to the public purse. In the public sector, you may not be contributing to the public purse, but subtracting from it. While the work you do MAY be worth this subtraction (strong MAY here because it certainly isn't given or even measurable), it is markedly different from adding to public funding, whilst at the same time providing a good or service that people voluntarily pay for and which can improve their standard of living.
Consider a $50k earner paying 20% income tax. In government, this earner is taking $40k from the public purse. They pay $10k tax, but this payment is a bit of a gimmick because it was sourced from the public purse to begin with. It didn't increase the public purse. In the private sector, the $50k earner is adding $10k to the public purse. Thus, for every $50k earner in government, it takes the entire income tax of four $50k earners in the private sector just to pay the salary (and that's without the layers of bureaucracy which skim from that amount first).
Consider how this feels from the perspective of the private sector worker. They have a higher job risk than the government worker. This is because the private sector worker must be productive enough and provide services that people voluntarily pay for to make profit, whereas there exists no such requirement in government because there is a perpetual supply of money regardless of 'results'. On top of that, a big portion of their earnings are then taken away to pay just 1/4 of the salary for the government worker with the cushy, secure job and a nice pension, whose work it is not even possible to determine is cost-effective and beneficial to society.
Imagine you are on a deserted island with 4 other people, you can each catch an average of 5 fish per day. One person declares themselves to be "island boss". You and your 3 other survivors must give the boss one of your 5 fish every day. As a consequence of you feeding "boss", he gets to decide everything you are allowed or not allowed to do on the island, with increasingly restrictive rules, some of which make your task of catching 5 fish every day more difficult. Because you each need to eat 4 fish a day, you cannot build up capital which would afford you time to do things other than fishing. You are merely surviving.
I dunno, but my moral compass thinks work-for-profit is very ethical and work-from-profit-of-others much less. It may be the case that the public sector job is worth the money, but I would much rather voluntarily pay for things than be forced to pay for many things which I find distasteful.
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#69Does anyone working in software honestly feel like their work gives them a strong sense of purpose? Honestly I'd imagine the far majority don't, working on proprietary code for companies driven solely by profit, within agile factories where a developer's sole role is to churn out tickets on an assembly line, and have no real ownership or stake in the company's success. Hence the high rate of burnout despite the job b…
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#70> Where do you find your sense of purpose working in the private sector? I work on improving the treatment of cancer through the application of deep learning. I am employed by a FAANG and work very closely with several leading nonprofit academic medical centres. Our primary driver is real-world patient impact (rather than, say, revenue or just academic publications). Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of downsides…
Ultimately, the company you are employed by is employing you to improve their bottom-line, as all of FAANG are for-profit companies. If your branch suddenly starts eating away profits (research proving something your company does is bad for example) or being too costly without improving the profits, there is a real risk they'll cut your branch/team. Is that not a fear for you? I'd like to understand the reasoning how…
Maybe I'm overly cynical at this point in my life, or maybe it's just because I'm just unfamiliar with this stuff, but it seems like if places really wanted to prioritize something other than raw profit they'd do so. All this other stuff seems like rationalizations to me sometimes.
I don't want to come across the wrong way; I think there's a lot of good that can come from focusing on the bottom line. I just sometimes feel like greater diversity of organizational mechanisms would make the world a better place.