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Re: Tell HN: Udacity dark pattern to cancel a subscription

#62
ProtonVPN has another dark pattern i found out this month;

If you cancel your subscription it will be canceled with immediate effect, and the remainder of the month will be given back to you as "credits", which you're supposed to spend on some of their services at some point.

The only way to stop the subscription and not loose money/value is to cancel it exactly on the last day of your subscription.

So... of course people end up missing the reminder and get stuck with another month.

Vicious.

Re: Tell HN: Udacity dark pattern to cancel a subscription

#63
I tried to delete my Spotify account a while back. Was beyond tired of their constant UI changes and decided that silence was better than constant frustration. I wanted not just to cancel, but delete the account.

Ending the subscription was relatively smooth, only some sad violin music and a questionnaire about why I wanted to close it, but man oh man did I have to go through an obstacle course to actually terminate the accounts. Emails had to be exchanged where I repeatedly confirmed that yes, this was actually something I wanted to do, and yes, I knew I could cancel the subscription instead.

Re: Tell HN: Udacity dark pattern to cancel a subscription

#64
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Where are the companies that don't pull this shit? Netflix? Amazon?

Amazon makes you jump through something like 5-10 app pages to cancel Prime. Almost felt like breaking up with a particularly desperate partner.

And then they try to sign you back up with every new purchase

Re: Tell HN: Udacity dark pattern to cancel a subscription

#65
I remember Udacity was doing some 'get 1 month free' deal about a year ago. Most of the online learning platforms had that deal (in different forms - weekend, week, month). And even though most of their courses say 4-5 months to complete, if you really want to study, you can easily complete them in a month. And so I did.

Few months after that users got a lovely popup saying they can't complete the last unit (or last few units) that were required to get the certificate because they were on a free subscription. Why offer it to users, ask them to invest their time and then do something like that...

Re: Tell HN: Udacity dark pattern to cancel a subscription

#67
I had an experience with BritBox a few years ago where I signed up for a trial with a Revolut card on an account that had zero or very little balance. (I only did this once, so I wasn't abusing multiple trials.) When the trial expired, they decided to overdraft me (it showed up as a "delayed transaction" in Revolut, which was completely invisible to me beforehand, only a $0 authorization charge was shown). And when I went on the website, there was only an option to "restart your subscription", no option to cancel it and prevent future charges. Since I didn't want to risk being charged again to try to restart it first and then cancel, I ended up contacting support to cancel. At least they didn't try to convince me to stay though.

Re: Tell HN: Udacity dark pattern to cancel a subscription

#68
Coursera has a nasty spin on this.

Ending your subscription is easy, there are no hidden buttons or instructions to call. However, if you have been inactive on the course for some time (a few weeks), your progress is rolled back to Week 1, even if you did the weekly quizzes and assignments on time.

Re: Tell HN: Udacity dark pattern to cancel a subscription

#69

Management decisions like this policy are indicative of a sick company. This is your canary in a coalmine scenario. Get out before it becomes too toxic to survive.

Where are the companies that don't pull this shit? It's more like a pickaxe and railcar than a canary. Most companies use dark patterns because they're profitable and not illegal. People doing profitable work get bonuses - this is what sales teams are for. People won't do ethically ugly shit unless you pay them enough commission to hide the stink, or if you're good enough at bullshitting the bullshitters. Half the sh…

Apple Arcade and Google Stadia didn't do this. Subscribed and then unsubbed from both over the holiday period.

Re: Tell HN: Udacity dark pattern to cancel a subscription

#70

I just have a "virtual" debit card to my name which stays empty until I purchase something online. So when these scam sites charge me, they fail. Haha.

Can that impact your credit rating? Or have some other adverse effect that's not immediately apparent?
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