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Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

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Re: Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

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post #23

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Mushroom spores are sold online for "microscopy purposes only".

They don't contain the active ingredient that is specifically illegal, which is what I always heard made the "loophole" possible. Would be interested to know if that's true (but too lazy to alt-tab and search myself.)

Not sure why you are being downvoted. Perhaps for laziness. Spores indeed do not contain psilocybin.

Re: Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

#72
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Offtopic, but The Incredibles has one of my favorite movie quotes: You always say “Be true to yourself”, but you never say which part of yourself to be true to! … which stuck in my head because so many Disney (and other?) movies seem to be all about being “true to yourself,” and in my experience they conspicuously fail to address the fact (in my belief system) that all humans have both good and evil, selfish and self…

A related question, why is voting considered "good"? Your vote is good if you vote for good people and good policies. Yes. But if a person votes for bad people and bad policies, then I don't see what's so good about it. Voting in general however I believe is good because it makes people be part of the system, and feel they are part of it. And so, if voting is good, maybe we should have more voting.

Is there good or bad voting? I think democracy is about representing interests, if a number of people have an interest that is against the interest of someone else, does that make it wrong or bad? yeah I mean bad from your interest point of view, but not from a global point of view

I think the woke culture is a bit flawed, because if there is something that is objectively bad, and something that is objectively good, why even have democracy at all? Let's just put there the sun king and move on?

Re: Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

#73
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Offtopic, but The Incredibles has one of my favorite movie quotes: You always say “Be true to yourself”, but you never say which part of yourself to be true to! … which stuck in my head because so many Disney (and other?) movies seem to be all about being “true to yourself,” and in my experience they conspicuously fail to address the fact (in my belief system) that all humans have both good and evil, selfish and self…

A related question, why is voting considered "good"? Your vote is good if you vote for good people and good policies. Yes. But if a person votes for bad people and bad policies, then I don't see what's so good about it. Voting in general however I believe is good because it makes people be part of the system, and feel they are part of it. And so, if voting is good, maybe we should have more voting.

> But if a person votes for bad people and bad policies...

The entire point of voting is that you are allowed to vote for whoever is running. Of course, the notion of a "bad policy" is as old as voting itself, but the noblest democracies are those which don't judge people for voting as they see fit, or else what's the point of voting at all? Just appoint a righteous elite to do all the political appointments for you.

However, just as there's been no consistently wise electorate, neither has there been a consistently wise elite class. In the end, in both cases, the best you can do politically is build a bulwark against corruption because you can't avoid it, which is why the stablest governments are the ones that make the job of the highest political seats as difficult as possible to actually do anything and put the bulk of the power in the hands of committees that have to argue about things to come to a decision.

> And so, if voting is good, maybe we should have more voting.

Voting on its own is not inherently good. Plenty of dictatorships operate under the guise of voting, where either candidates opposing the ruling party are entirely absent or voting for them is punishable in various ways (which is why the political polarization in the west is particularly chilling). There are plenty of "People's republics" out there that are neither republics nor representative of the people (unless, perhaps, you narrowly define "people", as the US originally did).

What is arguably good (at least in the liberal western mind) is maintaining a system of political friction (checks and balances) that ensure different parts of the government are effective limiters on each other's authority to make it as difficult as possible for a tyrant to seize control. IMO Trump was a pretty solid litmus test of the resilience of the American government against tyrannical takeover.

The downside of this, as we're seeing the recent competition between east and west, is that tyranny can be much more effective at getting stuff done than democracy can hope to be, at least in the short term. However, strong tyrants still die and eventually a weak tyrant takes their place and the country falls apart.

The (theoretical) strength of representative government is that it outlives any one or handful of strong rulers. I say theoretical because technically ancient Egypt's history spans more years than the entirety of human history after Christ (so far), but as can be seen in their history, they had plenty of royal family squabbles and foreign invasions in that time. How they retained national cohesion through it all would be an interesting study.

Re: Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

#74
post #2

Reminds me of when a friend ordered some San Pedro cactus over the internet "for religious sacrament." It included a note indicating that they ran out of the exact variety that he ordered, but they thought that he'd be very happy with the one they sent because it was stronger when used for religious purposes. (San Pedro cactus contains mescaline. It's perfectly legal to grow for ornamental purposes.)

Mushroom spores are sold online for "microscopy purposes only".

"brick of concentrated sun-dried pre-milked opium poppy seed latex. organic, vegan, fair trade, 100% natural. NOT for intravenous consumption"

Re: Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

#75
post #8
post #3

I'm always reminded of the bit from The Incredibles: BOB PARR: All right, listen closely. I'd like to help you, but I can't. I'd like to tell you to take a copy of your policy to Norma Wilcox on... Norma Wilcox. W-I-L-C-O-X. On the third floor. But I can't. I also do not advise you to fill out and file a WS2475 form with our legal department on the second floor. I wouldn't expect someone to get back to you quickly to…

Offtopic, but The Incredibles has one of my favorite movie quotes: You always say “Be true to yourself”, but you never say which part of yourself to be true to! … which stuck in my head because so many Disney (and other?) movies seem to be all about being “true to yourself,” and in my experience they conspicuously fail to address the fact (in my belief system) that all humans have both good and evil, selfish and self…

> we’re born screaming, demanding others’ attention;

I wouldn't say "demanding". During the first weeks you actually have to wake up the newborn for feeding, otherwise you're running the risk of malnourishment.

They're so utterly helpless, confused and tired that they can fall asleep even when hungry.

Re: Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

#76
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Offtopic, but The Incredibles has one of my favorite movie quotes: You always say “Be true to yourself”, but you never say which part of yourself to be true to! … which stuck in my head because so many Disney (and other?) movies seem to be all about being “true to yourself,” and in my experience they conspicuously fail to address the fact (in my belief system) that all humans have both good and evil, selfish and self…

A related question, why is voting considered "good"? Your vote is good if you vote for good people and good policies. Yes. But if a person votes for bad people and bad policies, then I don't see what's so good about it. Voting in general however I believe is good because it makes people be part of the system, and feel they are part of it. And so, if voting is good, maybe we should have more voting.

> Your vote is good if you vote for good people and good policies. Yes. But if a person votes for bad people and bad policies, then I don't see what's so good about it.

Democracy is a means of securing regular, peaceful power transitions. Whether the outcome is particularly good or bad is not relevant, because all power is transient.

The alternative is a civil war/revolution every now and then.

Re: Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

#77
post #8
post #3

I'm always reminded of the bit from The Incredibles: BOB PARR: All right, listen closely. I'd like to help you, but I can't. I'd like to tell you to take a copy of your policy to Norma Wilcox on... Norma Wilcox. W-I-L-C-O-X. On the third floor. But I can't. I also do not advise you to fill out and file a WS2475 form with our legal department on the second floor. I wouldn't expect someone to get back to you quickly to…

Offtopic, but The Incredibles has one of my favorite movie quotes: You always say “Be true to yourself”, but you never say which part of yourself to be true to! … which stuck in my head because so many Disney (and other?) movies seem to be all about being “true to yourself,” and in my experience they conspicuously fail to address the fact (in my belief system) that all humans have both good and evil, selfish and self…

It's "just be yourself" all over again. What if my unmasked self is an aloof prick? It's just stupid. "Just be yourself... no not like that... wait not like that!"

Re: Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

#78
post #75
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Offtopic, but The Incredibles has one of my favorite movie quotes: You always say “Be true to yourself”, but you never say which part of yourself to be true to! … which stuck in my head because so many Disney (and other?) movies seem to be all about being “true to yourself,” and in my experience they conspicuously fail to address the fact (in my belief system) that all humans have both good and evil, selfish and self…

> we’re born screaming, demanding others’ attention; I wouldn't say "demanding". During the first weeks you actually have to wake up the newborn for feeding, otherwise you're running the risk of malnourishment. They're so utterly helpless, confused and tired that they can fall asleep even when hungry.

> They're so utterly helpless, confused and tired that they can fall asleep even when hungry.

I never grew out of that, lol

Re: Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

#79
post #40
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Offtopic, but The Incredibles has one of my favorite movie quotes: You always say “Be true to yourself”, but you never say which part of yourself to be true to! … which stuck in my head because so many Disney (and other?) movies seem to be all about being “true to yourself,” and in my experience they conspicuously fail to address the fact (in my belief system) that all humans have both good and evil, selfish and self…

And the villain quote along the lines of “if we are all superheroes then no one is a superhero”.

It's an accessible entrance into things like entropy, or to think about subjects like eugenics (if we're remove genetic diversity there will be no racism) or wrongthink (if nobody has these bad ideas we would all live in harmony).

DISCLAIMER: this is not an invitation to start debating these subjects, these are just crudely picked examples.

Re: Wine bricks saved the U.S. wine industry during Prohibition (2015)

#80
post #2

Reminds me of when a friend ordered some San Pedro cactus over the internet "for religious sacrament." It included a note indicating that they ran out of the exact variety that he ordered, but they thought that he'd be very happy with the one they sent because it was stronger when used for religious purposes. (San Pedro cactus contains mescaline. It's perfectly legal to grow for ornamental purposes.)

IIRC mescaline or peyote (maybe they're the same? I don't know) is nowadays legally protected under religious laws, but iirc there's a lot of caveats around it (region, tribe, etc).
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