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Re: Ask HN: What is one book you would recommend everyone to read?

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post #86

“The Scapegoat” by Rene Girard, which suggests that we are deeply vulnerable to imitating others; and that when we imitate, this tends to lead to deep conflict, for we often imitate desire for scarce objects (e.g. a certain role at work, a particular romantic partner, etc.). We also tend to imitate hatred for a given party, as we tend to imitate hatred, too; thus engaging in the process of scapegoating, when, in fact…

Girard has a very casual relationship with evidence for his theory. For example, he says that both Oedipus and Jesus were scapegoats, with (IIRC) Jesus being scapegoated by his own followers. If you point out that that's not what the accounts say, Girard says that societies that scapegoat don't say out loud that they're doing that, so the accounts won't come out and say so. That lets him read pretty much any account as evidence for his theory, and the fact that the account doesn't actually say that as further evidence for his theory.

That is very much not how evidence works. But if all you've got is an axe to grind, I guess every text looks like a whetstone...

Re: Ask HN: What is one book you would recommend everyone to read?

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post #112

Not sure if it's the only book I'd recommend if I have to stick to the rules, I think others have already done that for me here but: A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole is very funny but also the back story to how it got published is both sad and interesting. ...and if I can pick a second book: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintainance by Robert M. Pirsig. ...and a third: Catch-22 by Joseph Heller

Wow! More or less the three books I would've suggested in the same order. I would happily get some more suggestions until I encounter a book I haven't read (e-mail in bio)

Thank you, that’s very kind to say.

So many good books in this thread already. I could suggest though:

Hagakure - Yamamoto Tsunetomo

Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind - Shunryu Suzuk

For something lighter I like anything by William Gibson or Neal Stephenson. The Quicksilver trilogy is great as is Anatheme.

Re: Ask HN: What is one book you would recommend everyone to read?

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't mind me asking, do you suffer from any of the things he discusses in the book? I'm just curious to know how our context differs if any, not trying to imply anything else. For me at least, there were things he talked about which felt like there was someone/something that understood and that there was a chance to work forward through things. There were also a few things I read which... well, lets just say…

> If you don't mind me asking, do you suffer from any of the things he discusses in the book? Yes, the book was recommended by my therapist. There were interesting and helpful parts to the book, in my case specifically the idea that it's hard to be anxious in a relaxed body, the yoga part, and the chapter about psyche being composed of different parts that protect one another and you can ask them to "step aside" were…

Thanks for the response.

Our experiences definitely differ somewhat, but I also didn't have time to read the book as thoroughly as I would eventually like.

Wishing all the best too you, and hope you've been able to make progress on your issues!

Re: Ask HN: What is one book you would recommend everyone to read?

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With respect to those in this thread, I'm seeing a lot of suggestions of fairly niche books that I have never heard of or would consider reading. It may be that there is no one book that I think everyone should read. Everyone has different tastes and interests, and what I think is a must read is probably on someone else's list of books never to read.

>I have never heard of That's the point >or would consider reading. Why? The point of lists like this (and of learning) is to go beyond what you're comfortable with and expand your horizons and knowledge.

There are many books people suggest I read which I have heard of but haven't had a chance to. On the other hand, some suggestions here are slightly outlandish. To their credit, some of these people have provided a brief synopsis to enable one to quickly decide if it's their cup of tea or not.

My ultimate point is it strains credulity to think that there is a one size fits all approach to books. What you think is a great read others would say otherwise.

There is no one book I would recommend everyone read. Maybe if we got specific into a particular academic field, there is. Not generally, though.

Re: Ask HN: What is one book you would recommend everyone to read?

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post #86

“The Scapegoat” by Rene Girard, which suggests that we are deeply vulnerable to imitating others; and that when we imitate, this tends to lead to deep conflict, for we often imitate desire for scarce objects (e.g. a certain role at work, a particular romantic partner, etc.). We also tend to imitate hatred for a given party, as we tend to imitate hatred, too; thus engaging in the process of scapegoating, when, in fact…

Girard has a very casual relationship with evidence for his theory. For example, he says that both Oedipus and Jesus were scapegoats, with (IIRC) Jesus being scapegoated by his own followers. If you point out that that's not what the accounts say, Girard says that societies that scapegoat don't say out loud that they're doing that, so the accounts won't come out and say so. That lets him read pretty much any account…

Well, if you look at Oedipus and Jesus, they appeal to Girard’s definition of being scapegoats in that they didn’t do anything wrong, but are presented as resolving a serious problem, which they don’t actually solve. In the case of Oedipus, he is accused not merely of marrying his mother and marrying his father, but of bringing a plague into Thebes, which is just silly and demonstrably impossible; and his death does not resolve. With Jesus, he irritated a bunch of Jews and Romans, but wasn’t really guilty of causing that problem either.

In both these cases, Girard is being plenty honest and reasonable, and his point still stands (which you take issue with) — namely: that those that engage in scapegoating don’t realize they have, which is also true— the people of Thebes and the Jews/Romans, respectively.

Re: Ask HN: What is one book you would recommend everyone to read?

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know people love 1984 but I found it exceedingly boring when I tried to read it. But it does have some very interesting ideas. My issue with 1984 may have been prior exposure to it's best ideas elsewhere. Orwell is a great writer, highly recommend both "Homage to Catalonia" and "Animal Farm". Complex topics written in an accessible style.

1984 is not boring; it takes commitment to read and think about the idea of "Power" it paints. Once you "get it" it can be Worldview altering. It may talk about "The Party" but that is just a stand-in for any Group; for example, think of any "Religion" and its hold on its followers. Here is O'Brien's monologue on "Power"; read it and see how widely it is applicable - https://artist-tyrant.tumblr.com/post/69668613937/…

>1984 is not boring

Maybe not for you. But it was for me. I am not sure how claiming that it is not boring for all people could be true (implied by your comment). Much easier to defend the counterfactual that all topics are boring to at least one person.

It's not like I was not interested in the ideas in the book. Merely I had seen them explored elsewhere before I bothered to try and read 1984.

Re: Ask HN: What is one book you would recommend everyone to read?

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Starting Strength by Rippletoe Meditations by Marcus Aurelius

I would only recommend Ripptoe if you’re already strength training or have a passion for the mechanics of strength exercises, because if it’s not immediately practical or a fascination, the book will likely bore you.

Opposite of my experience, helps you have the proper mechanical info to learn the basics, skipping marketing nonsense and mumbo jumbo. Knowing how to lift something heavy safely goes beyond the practice of strength training, it's a life skill.

Re: Ask HN: What is one book you would recommend everyone to read?

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post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Girard has a very casual relationship with evidence for his theory. For example, he says that both Oedipus and Jesus were scapegoats, with (IIRC) Jesus being scapegoated by his own followers. If you point out that that's not what the accounts say, Girard says that societies that scapegoat don't say out loud that they're doing that, so the accounts won't come out and say so. That lets him read pretty much any account…

Well, if you look at Oedipus and Jesus, they appeal to Girard’s definition of being scapegoats in that they didn’t do anything wrong, but are presented as resolving a serious problem, which they don’t actually solve. In the case of Oedipus, he is accused not merely of marrying his mother and marrying his father, but of bringing a plague into Thebes, which is just silly and demonstrably impossible; and his death does…

But if I understand correctly, that isn't Girard's point. Girard is saying that they do realize that they are scapegoating, though they don't admit it publicly. The society knows, but it's on the quiet - they don't acknowledge it out loud, but they know.

So, yeah. Evidence for that is somewhat lacking - it requires interpretation, which a cynic could call "making stuff up".

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