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/r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrification

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Re: /r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrification

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You could say literally the same thing about any political slogan. For example, please explain "government accountability" or "serve the people"? That literally could be anything. Another example, "Medicare for All", pretty straight forward, but what does it look like as a policy? https://www.propublica.org/article/medicare-for-all-is-not-m... Or "Make American Great Again" or "Build Back Better". Any slogan can be q…

A far better slogan would have been "Demilitarize the Police". I do not know why so many people who want police reform want to stick to "Defund the Police" when it comes with so much baggage.

That's a good one. Maybe even demanding "competent police" would be a good aggressive tack. If there's footage of police killing unarmed people in their homes or in broad daylight, then we should absolutely demand more competence and professionalism from them. That puts police unions in a tough spot of not being able to argue against that.

Re: /r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrification

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"Why was Doreen Ford, of all people, able to appoint herself as representative of a self-proclaimed movement 1.7 million strong?"

This shouldn't be a surprise. The news interviews many people about a variety of subjects. Either the network frames that person as wholly representing the group, or the viewers imply it. It's convenient, and perhaps even useful in some contexts, to assume that all the people in a group/movement have the exact same ideas and goals. But once a certain size is achieved that is rarely the case.

I work and don't support the antiwork movement, but have some sympathy for the anti-workers. I think a lot of this is about the perverse incentives. There are many jobs where the pay is low while the profits are high. I don't see anything wrong with the thread about easy jobs that was mentioned.

In my own job I have basically given up on trying to get ahead/promoted/whatever. I've been repeatedly screwed by the company, a company that has a reputation for being a best place to work and doing what's right. Why would I continue to work hard or try hard when my experience tells me that it won't pay off? I am looking for better jobs, but if this place is supposed to be so great, I doubt there are better places out there.

For those curious, what I mean by screwed over is that they violate their own policies and contradict themselves. Stuff like giving me a bad rating because the department requires that a manager pick a bad rating to balance out a great rating for someone else. And stuff like saying you can't go from a bad rating last year to a great rating this year, event though policy says the rating should only consider the current year. Or working as a tech lead and then a senior dev for a year each when just a midlevel dev but not being promoted. Being told that you would have been given a great rating, but you "slacked off" the last month, which was the month when you were on PTO for 2.5 weeks for your wedding and honeymoon and you put in extra hours before leaving. The list goes on.

Re: /r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrification

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>Universal basic income I'm going to sound like I'm being snarky here, and I promise I'm not. How exactly is this supposed to work? The government prints money and gives it away for free, nobody has to work? I don't say this from a place of privilege. I grew up lower class trailer trash and have been homeless. Maybe I don't understand the concept fully but it seems a bit absurd and unfeasible

One way to think about it: we already have a basic income in the US. Nobody starves to death in the US. Nobody is denied medical care in the emergency room. In many places (though not everywhere), there are shelters where a person can sleep inside. There are food stamps and a patchwork of welfare programs. However meager they may seem, things like this amount to a form of universal basic income. Does it prevent peopl…

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Re: /r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrification

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You could ask the same about Fox - which is hardly ground zero for sanity itself. Does it represent a movement, or a TV channel? If it's a movement, by what process was it elected? Point being I doubt anyone at Fox was unhappy with how the Doreen interview turned out. Did they ask to interview anyone else from the sub? All this really does is highlight the difference between online opinionation - always easy - and ef…

"The latter is much harder and absolutely needs informed - ideally effective and professional - handling of public presentation and messaging." That sounds like a ton of work.

Yes activism is hard, which is one of the reasons why social media gave rise to slacktivism instead. It's a low effort gratification that is reinforced by ones social network.

It's one of the issues with subreddits as they get larger. Low effort "look how great I am for standing up to my boss" posts win the day.

Re: /r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrification

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I remember stumbling upon /r/antiwork a few years ago and being so happy I'd stumbled upon a thriving movement that so effectively criticized one of the core principles of society that everyone takes for granted - that everyone must effectively sell their labor to someone else (unless they're rich enough to opt out, or clever enough to create some business or invest their way out). To me anti-work is the recognition…

Circa 2016 Reddit became a political propaganda free for all with a ridiculous amount of shill accounts trying to incite others and diminish viewpoints purely on political lines. Serious money was invested by interest groups to eventually help shape Reddit into the hive mind it became. I watched this transition as a long time Redditor and I hated every second of it.

Reasonable, discourse seeking people left Reddit in droves, the effect being that there's then a distilled concentration of politicized accounts, gen Z, and trolls. A few subreddits buck the trend, but frankly I kind of hate Reddit and hope someone makes a new one for the reasonable masses.

Re: /r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrification

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>"I have no interest in /r/antiwork nor their ideologies, but they kept popping up on /r/all" The /r/popular and /r/all pages are intensively manipulated by a constellation of leftist activists. Have you ever noticed just how often the same "screenshots of tweets" submissions from people like AOC end up being reposted ad nauseum across several subreddits that basically share the same message - and most importantly -…

The site itself leans left, I wouldn't call that manipulation, simply people voting on content they like. However, you are onto something. Almost every single post on r/MurderedByAOC is made by u/LrlOurPresident, and those posts hit the front page on a nearly daily basis.

Reddit corporate is exceptional at making you driven and angry, literally "engaged" with the website. Keeping Reddit account for fun stuffs only or leaving Reddit altogether, for couple months to years, or to never to return, is a great idea at every point of baseline spacetime that the Earth possibly traverse through.

Don't you think those Redditors are a bit too often bit too dumb to argue with? They ARE! 9/10ths are corporate shills and half of them are bots and the rest are complete boneheads, yeah yeah I agree wholeheartedly. Why not relieve yourself of duties and use that extra time to morally ascend yourself a bit? Watch them run into walls and cry from couple miles away. MSMs are gonna cover them, you won't be missing single bit of it.

Just quit. Click "logout". Going back is as easy as buying a pack of cigarettes and lighting it.

Re: /r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrification

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According to my understanding of how Reddit works, it was the OG anarchist asshats who had mod powers, not the "liberal" noobs.

Occam's Razor says the OG's got seduced by their newfound popularity. In trying to square the anarchist/liberal circle, they flew too close to the sun. That's too bad. But that's the end of story in terms of a power dynamic.

Calling that "sanewashing and social gentrification" is incoherent. None of the noobs had mod powers. And there are plenty of examples of subreddits modded by irreverent types who would probably eschew a popularity bump in order to keep the sub pedantic. Try complaining about your job in lowercase on r/THE_PACK and you'll see what I mean. :)

Re: /r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrification

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>Universal basic income I'm going to sound like I'm being snarky here, and I promise I'm not. How exactly is this supposed to work? The government prints money and gives it away for free, nobody has to work? I don't say this from a place of privilege. I grew up lower class trailer trash and have been homeless. Maybe I don't understand the concept fully but it seems a bit absurd and unfeasible

You tax a couple dozen ultra rich billionaires and a couple dozen ultra profitable companies. There's plenty of money. We don't need to print more. And each doesn't need the spare $20B anyways.

False. You'd need 4 trillion dollars a year to give 12k to everyone in the US. That would mean doubling US federal expenditures. And some people would stop working, hence stop paying income tax. Some businesses would leave the country.

I do expect someday it will be feasible though. Maybe in my lifetime.

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