Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

/r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrification

tracingwoodgrains.medium.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

71–80 of 566 posts

Re: /r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrification

#71

Post by asojfdowgh »

> You’ve come across the gentrifiers before, I’m sure. They browse the front page of reddit and the trending tab of YouTube, buy Ruth Bader Ginsberg figurines and wear Che Guevara T-shirts.

So, gentrifiers are generally made out of straw is the take-away?

likewise, "no one wants to mine coal" me, I do, I wanna do that, I wanna work out the refining process, I want to lathe 1000 of the same thing. Not every personality is what the author can come up with in his head, other kinds of people exist too

- - -

Moderators are meant to keep their subreddits on track, the moderators found it benificial to themselves to not do so, for number-go-up reasons, at that point, the moderators' views no longer represent the community's views, this is decided by the moderators' actions or rather intentional inaction

Re: /r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrification

#72

Post by zqfm »

kvuj wrote: post #25
belval wrote: post #8

> How exactly did it happen in /r/antiwork? Casuals found it. You know — the people who use the internet to laugh at funny memes rather than treating every post as a blow in a grand ideological struggle. That's the very force of the reddit hivemind. I have no interest in /r/antiwork nor their ideologies, but they kept popping up on /r/all, so they get a constant influx of people aligned with the reddit mean opinion,…

> That's the very force of the reddit hivemind. I have no interest in /r/antiwork nor their ideologies, but they kept popping up on /r/all, so they get a constant influx of people aligned with the reddit mean opinion, which in turn changes the original community. That's what I like about 4chan. In a sea of ungodly acidic garbage lies a golden heart of contrarianism. The posters will argue for a side one day, and 2 ho…

I used to love the 4chan-style contrarian attitude until, in high school people I knew were killed in Iraq. Then I started to realize that those kinds of nihilist attitudes have real-world consequences. Since then, that attitude has become mainstream (or perhaps just my awareness of it) and following has been a constant trail of death and misery. I can't not take it seriously anymore when my friends and loved ones are dying and turning on each other.

Re: /r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrification

#74

Post by Miner49er »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #40

This reminds me of "Defund the Police", wherein supporters would try to convince others that the slogan did not literally mean what it says. Like AntiWork, It seems to have been started by those who genuinely wanted to abolish the police. But as time went on people joined who instead wanted to reform the police by dramatically cutting back what they were meant to respond to. But the slogan stayed, and was very mislea…

Defund the police and the similarity was brought up multiple times in the article.

Re: /r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrification

#75

Post by wsb_mod2 »

dilippkumar wrote: post #46
wsb_mod2 wrote: post #6

Great writeup. A subreddit getting co-opted by the masses to change its intentions is a story as old as reddit. See my username for how I know that to be true. Hopefully more subreddits will wake up and realize that being included in high activity feeds (r/all, popular) is not necessarily a good thing. We have. > Speaking of unflattering stereotypes, let’s be blunt for a moment: Most of what you read on the internet…

I’d love to hear your thoughts on wsb.

What do you want to know?

I think r/wallstreetbets is still a fantastic place and more or less true to its purpose of finding interesting and novel trades.

Much of the discussion has expanded, to discord (600K users, the limit) as well as the daily reddit talks (Think clubhouse but for reddit).

The daily thread is still fantastic for a very quick list of interesting topics, which you can jump into and have a conversation with anyone.

There still remains a decent sense of camraderie, but there are definitely fewer recognizable names amongst the volume of comments. More time being invested into handing out unique flairs will help with this

Weekday meme restrictions over the past week has largely undone all the damage to the main feed and brought back a larger array of high quality discussion.

Predictions add an interesting dimension to the subreddit where all users can participate regardless of personal wealth.

---

So overall, I'd say it's going very well. There seems to be a significant amount of misconceptions both in the general population, as well as even our regular users, but as long as we continue to do the right thing and protect discussion quality, people will slowly but surely see the light.

Re: /r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrification

#77

Post by StriverGuy »

the_snooze wrote: post #68
StriverGuy wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Off topic, but my tin foil hat theory of r/antiwork is that this a massive psy-op being pushed by some other nation state. Reddits algo easily helps snowball and propagate ideas that are promoted by users within the sub. It is the perfect playbook to destabilize labor markets in a foreign country.

It's possible, but I don't consider it plausible at my current level of understanding. My null hypothesis is that there are some really loud people on the internet who like to talk loudly about their unpopular ideas. And they're unaware of how deeply unpopular those ideas are until their little corner of the internet suddenly gets mainstream public attention.

So my thinking is the origin story of the sub is definitely organic. However, it is an easy win for a bad actor to push the narrative that a handful of loud voices are shouting about for their own interests.

Re: /r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrification

#78

Post by whatshisface »

foverzar wrote: post #52

What is "sanewashing"? English is not my native language and I am having genuine trouble locating the definitions. The top 1 result in google is this very linked article.

It's a word the author made up. It means, "taking a movement that was originally crazy and attempting to rehabilitate its image by downplaying its origins."

I am not sure how useful this idea is as a concept. The Libertarian party had a similar history (its original platform had something to do with keeping leaded gasoline legal...) but it doesn't matter now.

Re: /r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrification

#79

Post by Miner49er »

wsb_mod2 wrote: post #75
dilippkumar wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d love to hear your thoughts on wsb.

What do you want to know? I think r/wallstreetbets is still a fantastic place and more or less true to its purpose of finding interesting and novel trades. Much of the discussion has expanded, to discord (600K users, the limit) as well as the daily reddit talks (Think clubhouse but for reddit). The daily thread is still fantastic for a very quick list of interesting topics, which you can jump into and have a conversa…

How long have you been a mod? Since the start?

Re: /r/antiwork: A tragedy of sanewashing and social gentrification

#80

Post by michaelt »

wsb_mod2 wrote: post #32
BitwiseFool wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"I have no interest in /r/antiwork nor their ideologies, but they kept popping up on /r/all" The /r/popular and /r/all pages are intensively manipulated by a constellation of leftist activists. Have you ever noticed just how often the same "screenshots of tweets" submissions from people like AOC end up being reposted ad nauseum across several subreddits that basically share the same message - and most importantly -…

The site itself leans left, I wouldn't call that manipulation, simply people voting on content they like. However, you are onto something. Almost every single post on r/MurderedByAOC is made by u/LrlOurPresident, and those posts hit the front page on a nearly daily basis.

> Almost every single post on r/MurderedByAOC is made by u/LrlOurPresident, and those posts hit the front page on a nearly daily basis.

Do you see the same content when browsing in an incognito window?

I ask because I've long suspected Reddit tracks even logged out users, and generates a front page showing them more of things that keep them on the site.

Post reply on HN