PHP – The Right Way • Hacker News Board

The beauty of perl scripts, and later php templates, was in their BASIC-like simplicity. They were not secure or structured in any way, but very accessible.

Once you add these frameworks, you realize you could have started with Python or Java in the first place and get more mature infrastructure and better language along the way.

Re: PHP – The Right Way

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Post by thriftwy » Mon, Feb 07, 2022, 9:01 AM UTC

thriftwy wrote: post #5

But what's the point? The beauty of perl scripts, and later php templates, was in their BASIC-like simplicity. They were not secure or structured in any way, but very accessible. Once you add these frameworks, you realize you could have started with Python or Java in the first place and get more mature infrastructure and better language along the way.

In the mid-00s the main selling point of PHP were shared hostings with mod_php which was a cheap way to host your own web site and database.

Now with the cloud that advantage is utterly gone.

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Post by eitland » Mon, Feb 07, 2022, 9:04 AM UTC

marcusfrex wrote: post #2

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I haven't used PHP in years.[1]

That said PHP gets a lot of undeserved flak and also even if it is not the best tool for everything, - if you end up using it you definitely should know how to use it to your avantage.

[1]: Java is so nice and low ceremony these days and even .Net can now update dependencies without running exe files and clicking next-next-agree-next and I also prefer typed languages a lot.

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Post by systemvoltage » Mon, Feb 07, 2022, 9:05 AM UTC

thriftwy wrote: post #6

thriftwy wrote: post #5

But what's the point? The beauty of perl scripts, and later php templates, was in their BASIC-like simplicity. They were not secure or structured in any way, but very accessible. Once you add these frameworks, you realize you could have started with Python or Java in the first place and get more mature infrastructure and better language along the way.

In the mid-00s the main selling point of PHP were shared hostings with mod_php which was a cheap way to host your own web site and database. Now with the cloud that advantage is utterly gone.

I am not quite sure if Jamstack has improved anything. I feel like the entire web stack is spinning wheels and hardly progressing.

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Post by awestroke » Mon, Feb 07, 2022, 9:05 AM UTC

jcfariadias wrote: post #3

marcusfrex wrote: post #2

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Yet this internet myth of "PHP no bueno" persists. Don't confuse the tool with the artisan. PHP is an incredible language that's getting more mature with each new release.

Why do PHP developers insist on calling themselves artisans?

Give me a call when PHP ditches backwards compatibility and cleans out all the shit from the standard library - 5845 global functions always available, most of which you are just supposed to know are shit... Just a nightmare.

Re: PHP – The Right Way

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Post by deniska » Mon, Feb 07, 2022, 9:07 AM UTC

thriftwy wrote: post #6

thriftwy wrote: post #5

But what's the point? The beauty of perl scripts, and later php templates, was in their BASIC-like simplicity. They were not secure or structured in any way, but very accessible. Once you add these frameworks, you realize you could have started with Python or Java in the first place and get more mature infrastructure and better language along the way.

In the mid-00s the main selling point of PHP were shared hostings with mod_php which was a cheap way to host your own web site and database. Now with the cloud that advantage is utterly gone.

Shared hosts are still there, and are cheaper and much simpler to use than your average cloud based deployment. Some even support these new hipster programming languages ruby and python.