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Post by _9omd »

manmal wrote: post #117
jwuphysics wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry to hear about your experiences and it sounds like you learned a lot from firsthand knowledge. But, respectfully asking, what does inflammatory foods or poor eating habits have to do with GMO foods?

Not OP. In many cases, the genetic modifications are either performed to either let the plant produce (more) lectins that kill insects, or make the plant immune to certain herbicides like glyphosate. The human gut and microbiome might be able to deal with lectins they have evolved to deal with, and in “normal” quantities. But those additional GMO lectins are suspected to be hard on the intestinal barrier. If that bar…

This is exactly the problem. The idea of GMOs is fine, but if it's increasing the load of gut damaging chemicals in the food supply that is not good. And the truth is we simply don't know, so it's crazy to just assume that these GMO foods are gut safe. These days it seems everyone I know has some kind of gut issue (myself included), so I think we should be cautious with GMOs.

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Post by bleuchase »

nemo44x wrote: post #167
Gatsky wrote: post #124

There was a lot of work on microbiome and cancer immunotherapy... the latest study in the field published in the most prestigious journal there is [1] seemed to show that fibre intake was more important than any specific microbe. In fact they found that eating more fibre and taking probiotics resulted in worse outcomes than just eating more fibre alone. This was recapitulated in a mouse model: > Together, these data…

Fiber is so incredibly important and much of our food in the West doesn’t have much of it. We see colon cancers and diverticulitis in people in their 30’s and even late 20’s nowadays. This wasn’t the case years ago and it’s not the case in Asian or African countries. But we don’t think it’s genetic because we see diverticulitis in people from these parts of the world 10 years after moving to the West. It’s thought th…

> Fiber is so incredibly important

Incredibly important to what?

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Post by errcorrectcode »

t8e56vd4ih wrote: post #193
Gatsky wrote: post #124

There was a lot of work on microbiome and cancer immunotherapy... the latest study in the field published in the most prestigious journal there is [1] seemed to show that fibre intake was more important than any specific microbe. In fact they found that eating more fibre and taking probiotics resulted in worse outcomes than just eating more fibre alone. This was recapitulated in a mouse model: > Together, these data…

a healthy microbiome should be self sustaining. why would it be useful to eat bacteria that is supposed to be present in the gut already anyway. what does make sense though is providing a favorable environment. for that it will be useful to provide certain substances on a regular basis. so, going from microbiome to fiber might make plenty of sense even from the microbiome perspective.

Not if you genocide it with antibiotics or your parents or environment didn't have it well in the first place.

People may want to take a fecal sample before starting antibiotics to "reseed" themselves.

Also, it will take time to map and analyze essential and harmful constituent species. Perhaps there will be the equivalent of "vitamin" essential bacterial for persons of particular genetic makeups and diets.

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Post by jcynix »

doublepg23 wrote: post #215
nemo44x wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fiber is so incredibly important and much of our food in the West doesn’t have much of it. We see colon cancers and diverticulitis in people in their 30’s and even late 20’s nowadays. This wasn’t the case years ago and it’s not the case in Asian or African countries. But we don’t think it’s genetic because we see diverticulitis in people from these parts of the world 10 years after moving to the West. It’s thought th…

I've been tracking my food the past couple months and it's pretty eye opening how much fiber I've been lacking. Now taking supplements, but is there a food you'd recommend in particular? It's silly, especially to admit on this forum, but I found the Hidrate water bottle that tracks your water consumption actually increased my water intake loads as well.

Besides fresh vegetables, I like oatmeal / porridge, freshly cooked with skimmed milk as a breakfast, which is a good start in the day. You can combine it with fresh fruit if you like.

Or take a look at bircher muesli.

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Post by bleomycin »

zackmorris wrote: post #99

Just another data point, but my journey through digestive issues and recovery was kicked off by the worst depression and burnout I ever experienced, which started in 2019 and lasted 3 years. My best guess for what happened is that work stress, excessive celebration and coping with the cognitive dissonance of the pre-COVID era and subsequent pandemic, combined with overtraining and the misuse of protein shakes in plac…

What you have described is EXACTLY what I have been experiencing myself over the last year. This is the first time I have ever seen my symptoms and trajectory laid out like this anywhere, it’s truly surreal. Words cannot convey how much I would appreciate any help finding treatment. I’m honestly nearing the end of my rope dealing with this with no end in sight. I’ve lost 30 pounds of muscle and I’m currently too sick to work anymore. My doctors have been useless and basically clueless.

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Post by denvaar »

When you've got chronic problems with your gut, it is so frustrating and difficult to try and figure out what's going on. That process alone is enough to make you feel anxious and depressed. In my own experience, I'm not sure whether I have stomach problems because I am anxious, or vice versa. I do know that symptoms of both cropped up at the same time, so in my opinion they are definitely correlated.

It's exciting to see even small breakthroughs in the research that's being done. My heart goes out to those people who are struggling with depression, anxiety, and stomach issues.

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Post by aszantu »

Someone been telling me, my depression comes from bacteria, I KNOW! Pain is... if I eat something plant based, depression and suicidal thoughts come back. Takes about 4 days after I ate the offending food, stays for 3 days, then I'm back to normal and energetic.

Latest experiment was one teaspoon of fermented green squash daily, seemed to work out okay for 5 days or so, then depression came back, BUT I could smell it in my armpits 1-2 days before the thoughts were back.

https://gutsense.org has a lot about fiber - the only fiber I can use seems to be animal based, like eggwhites

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Post by doublepg23 »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #217
doublepg23 wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been tracking my food the past couple months and it's pretty eye opening how much fiber I've been lacking. Now taking supplements, but is there a food you'd recommend in particular? It's silly, especially to admit on this forum, but I found the Hidrate water bottle that tracks your water consumption actually increased my water intake loads as well.

Personally I like to eat sliced green bell pepper, carrots, celery, and tomatoes with lite ranch as both a snack and often breakfast/"desert". Not entirely sure exactly how much fiber you get from any of those foods, but pretty sure the green bell pepper and celery are pretty high in it.

Thank you!
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