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Our nation cannot censor its way back to cultural health

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Re: Our nation cannot censor its way back to cultural health

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I think this article misses one big point which is how we - the people on this website - have actively constructed a world where advertisers can shift spend really quickly. Brand safety is a big reason for censorship - the idea of keeping ads for a company away from content that people might not like. YouTube demonetizes loads and loads of controversial topics across the political spectrum - and that's a Feature for…

That’s not censorship, it’s editorial oversight.

Re: Our nation cannot censor its way back to cultural health

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"We are a digital media company providing engaged citizens with fact-based reporting and commentary on politics, policy and culture—informed by conservative principles." A ton of conservative opinion pieces are being posted to Hacker News every single day lately. Often by younger accounts that tend to post a lot of things in a similar vein. Political opinion pieces generally don't belong on HN: "Off-Topic: Most stori…

I come to HN for a diversity of opinion. I'm more interested in the ideas than the ideology of the authors. Good ideas can come from anywhere.

There is no diversity of opinion here though.

Liberal leaning articles get flagged and removed all the time.

When if/when they're unflagged by mods, they remain buried.

Re: Our nation cannot censor its way back to cultural health

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post #6

"We are a digital media company providing engaged citizens with fact-based reporting and commentary on politics, policy and culture—informed by conservative principles." A ton of conservative opinion pieces are being posted to Hacker News every single day lately. Often by younger accounts that tend to post a lot of things in a similar vein. Political opinion pieces generally don't belong on HN: "Off-Topic: Most stori…

I come to HN for a diversity of opinion. I'm more interested in the ideas than the ideology of the authors. Good ideas can come from anywhere.

Yeah, there is a flag button for inappropriate content. Outside of that, provenance should be irrelevant. But it's often leveled as an ad-hominem style attack when people don't actually have something to contribute

Re: Our nation cannot censor its way back to cultural health

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One major distinction this glosses over is the difference between making it so you can't read something (e.g., banning it), and making it so you aren't required to read something (e.g., removing it from the curriculum). Only the former is censorship.

He actually handles that distinction early in the article as a quote:

> [...] he noted that there exists not just a right to speak but a right to hear. “To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker.”

But this is of course a gray area. You don't have to listen to anything anyone has to say, but it's also possible to sideline something enough that it is effectively censored without being outright forbidden.

Re: Our nation cannot censor its way back to cultural health

#15

"We are a digital media company providing engaged citizens with fact-based reporting and commentary on politics, policy and culture—informed by conservative principles." A ton of conservative opinion pieces are being posted to Hacker News every single day lately. Often by younger accounts that tend to post a lot of things in a similar vein. Political opinion pieces generally don't belong on HN: "Off-Topic: Most stori…

> A ton of conservative opinion pieces are being posted to Hacker News every single day lately.

Yes, but they end up "[flagged]"/"[dead]" way more often than liberal opinion pieces on the same topics do.

Re: Our nation cannot censor its way back to cultural health

#16

"We are a digital media company providing engaged citizens with fact-based reporting and commentary on politics, policy and culture—informed by conservative principles." A ton of conservative opinion pieces are being posted to Hacker News every single day lately. Often by younger accounts that tend to post a lot of things in a similar vein. Political opinion pieces generally don't belong on HN: "Off-Topic: Most stori…

Is that a problem?

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Re: Our nation cannot censor its way back to cultural health

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The rants about "cancel culture" from the US right are hilarious, given their long history of boycotts of brands they dislike and escalating hate and fear for everything up to actual book burnings of material like Harry Potter.

I'm not saying that the accusations of cancel culture are unfounded, I'm saying they are wildly hypocritical.

(It's good that efforts at censorship on the right are raised in the article as a pressing concern, the point is that this is not new, in fact it looks to me like the 'left' are the newcomers at the censor-burn-suppress game)

Re: Our nation cannot censor its way back to cultural health

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I believe in freedom of speech. What I do not believe in is freedom of mass speech. Your responsibility to the truth should increase in line with your reach. Have 1000 followers in twitter and want to talk about starting the next holocaust? Great, say whatever. A million followers? Yeah, that’s a problem. I don’t know how this gets enforced, but we simply cannot give every lunatic a megaphone.

>"I don’t know how this gets enforced, but we simply cannot give every lunatic a megaphone."

At least in the US you can't enforce it - and yes, any lunatic can grab a megaphone if they want.

The best way to handle problematic speech is more speech, NOT less. Trying to pretend lunatics don't exist is irrational and often a pretext to just block people that others disagree with. Screw that. Safest place for lunatics is out in the open, not driven underground.

Re: Our nation cannot censor its way back to cultural health

#20

I believe in freedom of speech. What I do not believe in is freedom of mass speech. Your responsibility to the truth should increase in line with your reach. Have 1000 followers in twitter and want to talk about starting the next holocaust? Great, say whatever. A million followers? Yeah, that’s a problem. I don’t know how this gets enforced, but we simply cannot give every lunatic a megaphone.

Who defines what the truth is? The mainstream? That didn't work out too well for Galileo.
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