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I don’t think any sensible capitalist would disagree with this. But the implication that follows, which is “therefor the government should collect more taxes to finance more programs…” is not so obviously a good idea. The government is the least efficient resource allocator ever created. If you ask the government to do something, it will deliver the lowest possible quality outcome, and the highest possible price. Bas…
> The government is the least efficient resource allocator ever created. Why? And are you sure? Are there any statistics on the matter regarding this particular program?
Expanded Child Tax Policy Slashed Child Poverty
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American intervention in other genocides (e.g. Kosovo) led to genocide being kicked into high gear. Arguably it did in WW2 as well. The Nazis originally planned to dump the Jews in Africa, not kill them. The plans for the Nazis industrial slaughter were approved shortly after the US entered the war and the Nazis were slowly being boxed in. The fact that Germany reacted to the US entering the war with industrial slaug…
"We should let genocides happen, because if we try to make them stop, the people committing them panic and realize they will have to speed up to be able to kill as many people as they want to" is not the gotcha argument you think it is.
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> That isn't the case. It is absolutely the case; we just don't know everything. Using modern economics, we have managed inflation and other economic phenomena highly effectively. High inflation (well beyond what is happening now - look at history and at places that ignore economics), depressions, bank runs, etc. are a thing of the past. Look at economic history before the post-war era; look at places that ignore eco…
Just the view of someone whose family is from Argentina, and who lived there during two bouts of severe inflation of >50%. To me, it's never "solved" and one thing I really fear is that the US is starting to look more and more like Argentina in both its populist political rhetoric and its abuse of institutions to produce short-term political gains at the expense of longer-term prosperity. You could say that the Roman…
That is a consequence of bad decisions, not economics. In fact, economics does every well: It predicts the outcome of the bad decision. And you call it a bad decision because it prioritizes politics over reality, i.e., the economics.
If the doctor says, 'take this pill or you will have a heart attack', and you don't take the pill and have a heart attack, then the problem is you, not the doctor, who actually did very well (unfortunately).
> Inflation is a funnel that sucks money from the poor to the wealthy.
That's a separate question, but that's not really true either afaik:
Argentina's inflation level and the current US inflation level are on entirely different magnitudes; the US has never had hyperinflation (what you describe in Argentina), at least since the advent of modern economics around WWII. US inflation is well under 10% (last I checked), an order of magnitude less than the 50%+ you are discussing. It's like comparing a scraped knee to an severed femoral artery.
Also, the inflation is from entirely different causes. US inflation is due largely to supply chain issues caused by the pandemic.
For poorer people, inflation's effect depends on whether your wages and, if you have savings, whether the interest rate the bank pays on your deposit are inflating at a similar rate. Note that most Americans have no meaningful savings: One recent study said that something like 60% didn't have even $500 saved for an emergency.
Generally, inflation helps those in debt, including poor people, by inflating away the value of their debt. It hurts those who own and lend money - mostly the wealthy. If you have a billion saved and it's
That's why the American reactionaries are so up in arms about it - I agree about the irony, but reactionary policies almost always to favor the wealthy. 'Populists' are about manipulating the populace, not serving them. (They also are making a big deal about it because, 1) they function by creating crises - imagine them not being outraged; 2) it is a way to attack non-reactionaries. Both of those are the reasons for their existence.)
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I might be naive here, but to my understanding the vast majority have access to housing and quality education in comparison to the US?
Nope, you are being naive. Compulsory education only goes through the 8th grade, so many (40-60%) don’t have a high school education, let alone a quality education (if from the rural area, your school will suck, and the hukou system means you might not be able to get an education at all in the city your family moved to to make money). China doesn’t technically have homeless people since many of the grifters in their…
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I'm couching a problem in a capitalist frame, I made no assertion that we live in a perfectly capitalist economy. The irony is that China understands the economic value of quality of life better than the US, with the latter making a lot of fuss about the primacy of economy in decision making.
So you're saying that if we did live under perfect capitalism, these problems wouldn't exist. But it's impossible to live under perfect anything, so it seems that instead of trying to become more capitalist, we ought to pick the system that works best while imperfect. Today I handed out survival kits at a homeless encampment. People are cold, tired and hungry. Child poverty, homelessness....this system is not working…
Nope. But going back to my OP, I think this is a sound rationale for someone of a capitalist mindset to support welfare. It's fair to say that a capitalist society with perfectly rational actors does not exist. Its also quite possible that there are rational counterpoints within the capitalist frame that completely invalidate my argument - but I haven't seen that yet in this thread.
> Today I handed out survival kits at a homeless encampment. People are cold, tired and hungry. Child poverty, homelessness....this system is not working.
I agree.
Disclaimer: I think that unchecked capitalism is wrong, not just because humans are irrational actors, but that it's immoral for humans to serve an economy instead of the economy serving humans. The latter requires broad geopolitical intervention and the global will of people to hold their governments to account. But we always must remember that economies are human constructs, and one that can be changed with enough motivation.
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#126I have to admit I'm a confused mix of beliefs right now. I agree that funding for children is among the best return on investment [1] (to the point that I think we should rank initiatives and spend on kids first before anyone else gets their turn in line for the same ROI), but I can see that purely dumping money into people's bank accounts is a rough tool to do it. In fact, our recent history has shown that any kind…
Child nutrition is probably the single best ROI you can get anyway. Why everyone doesn’t have such a card is beyond me.