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Why only more vegetables? Isn’t fiber also in some other food?

Fiber being a type of carb is also found in other high carb foods like beans, whole grains, potatoes (with skin), and popcorn. Beans are the best source of fiber by a mile in terms of quantity.

What kind of beans, baked beans? Fava?

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Also have an IBS diagnosis. Had a great doctor that helped me get started, after many that did a shoddy job, and this has been my experience as well. Very much a 'seems like IBS, try low FODMAP, see what works and doesn't via experience,' which was pretty amazing/alarming how little is understood about our guts. I'd love to know when the science is going to start catching up. Especially since I think it'll be interes…

I'm wondering if someone can help, re low FODMAP diet, as I'm finding some contradictory information about which foods are low FODMAP. For example, at [1], Chickpeas are listed as low FODMAP, but at [2] they're listed as "high". Similarly for Green bell peppers. Thanks for any help. [1] https://www.ibsdiets.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IBSDiets... [2] https://med.virginia.edu/ginutrition/wp-content/uploads/site...

I recommend you check out the app from Monash [1]. It’s a paid app but really worth it and its been incredibly helpful for me (I say this as a user, not affiliated with them). AFAIK it contains the largest number of tested foods and they keep adding new foods and retesting and updating older food quantities and list out the specific fodmap associated with each food. From what I have found online, every other source is either outdated or mostly copies the data from here.

ICYDK (From the studies I have read online) Researchers from Monash were the first ones to identify low fodmaps and they continually release research studies in this area.

To answer your question about chickpeas - right now I see 2 different tested versions in the app - one is Canned chickpeas - this says quarter cup (42g) should mostly be fine but half cup (84g) contains moderate amounts of Oligos-GOS (one of the fodmpas).

Green bell peppers - 52g should be ok but 75 to 80g contains high amount of sorbitol.

The app uses a traffic system (red, blue, green lights) to indicate the quantities

[1] https://www.monashfodmap.com/ibs-central/i-have-ibs/get-the-...

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There was a lot of work on microbiome and cancer immunotherapy... the latest study in the field published in the most prestigious journal there is [1] seemed to show that fibre intake was more important than any specific microbe. In fact they found that eating more fibre and taking probiotics resulted in worse outcomes than just eating more fibre alone. This was recapitulated in a mouse model: > Together, these data…

Why only more vegetables? Isn’t fiber also in some other food?

I get my fiber from oatmeal. Simple plain rolled oats, no sugary additives, roast with a bit of olive oil in a pan to unlock their full nutritional potential, then cover with enough water, add salt and let simmer. Consume with appropriate additions as desired, I usually go for plain yogurt.

Re: Gut microbe linked to depression in large health study

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Just another data point, but my journey through digestive issues and recovery was kicked off by the worst depression and burnout I ever experienced, which started in 2019 and lasted 3 years. My best guess for what happened is that work stress, excessive celebration and coping with the cognitive dissonance of the pre-COVID era and subsequent pandemic, combined with overtraining and the misuse of protein shakes in plac…

Autoimmune protocol diet exits for this. Spent a month eating sweet potatoes. Best I ever felt.

I saw someone here comment that eating only sweet potatoes produced similar results to fasting.

Re: Gut microbe linked to depression in large health study

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I'm wondering if someone can help, re low FODMAP diet, as I'm finding some contradictory information about which foods are low FODMAP. For example, at [1], Chickpeas are listed as low FODMAP, but at [2] they're listed as "high". Similarly for Green bell peppers. Thanks for any help. [1] https://www.ibsdiets.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IBSDiets... [2] https://med.virginia.edu/ginutrition/wp-content/uploads/site...

I recommend you check out the app from Monash [1]. It’s a paid app but really worth it and its been incredibly helpful for me (I say this as a user, not affiliated with them). AFAIK it contains the largest number of tested foods and they keep adding new foods and retesting and updating older food quantities and list out the specific fodmap associated with each food. From what I have found online, every other source i…

Thank you.

Re: Gut microbe linked to depression in large health study

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Fiber being a type of carb is also found in other high carb foods like beans, whole grains, potatoes (with skin), and popcorn. Beans are the best source of fiber by a mile in terms of quantity.

What kind of beans, baked beans? Fava?

Any really. 1 cup of baked is 14g and fava is 9g.

Re: Gut microbe linked to depression in large health study

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Perhaps Westerners view all non-western science as pseudoscience or made up, but it is a well-known fact in many Eastern cultures (and their medicinal practices) that the stomach is a primary source of disease (and not just depression, but all kinds) when abused through bad eating habits. Then the wheel is re-invented with intermittent fasting, a diet with less processed foods, more veg/fruit, less meat, etc. Wheneve…

I'm sure every culture, including Western ones, has some kind(s) of food everywhere along the "healthy" to "medicinal" scale. Everyone agrees what you eat is important, nobody can agree on what that should be, hopefully this kind of research will tell us.

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There was a lot of work on microbiome and cancer immunotherapy... the latest study in the field published in the most prestigious journal there is [1] seemed to show that fibre intake was more important than any specific microbe. In fact they found that eating more fibre and taking probiotics resulted in worse outcomes than just eating more fibre alone. This was recapitulated in a mouse model: > Together, these data…

Why only more vegetables? Isn’t fiber also in some other food?

> Why only more vegetables? Isn’t fiber also in some other food?

Fiber is in some other foods, but not at the same ratio of fiber to calories; given that calorie surplus is also a common source of health problems in the developed world, vegetables are generally the best fiber source to add.

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Gut microbiome researcher here - not involved in this study but happy to answer questions or dig in with anyone interested!

How much evidence is there of long-term effects of these types of treatments? Do you or other researchers in the space ever worry that you are in a sense curing the effect and not the cause (family and societal problems as I understand it), which would imply that efficacy would fall over time? Would sustained fecal transplants, etc. even work?
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