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Re: For some searches the whole screen on Google is now ads

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Post by ryantgtg »

tomatofrank wrote: post #361
ryantgtg wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the time duckduckgo doesn’t even acknowledge quotations. I can’t tell if it’s because there aren’t results for when the query contains quotations or if they simply don’t acknowledge them most of the time. Either way it’s annoying and it makes me go back to google every time.

Do you have an example query?

These are some I found in my search history, where I then switched to !g. Not sure if all these examples still fail to produce results with the matching string (but they still seem to have issues, upon a quick glance):

"packages not in the aur"

rake "invalid session id"

"pacman -Qm"

arch "The pgAdmin 4 server could not be contacted"

"previous definition of HTML_NAMESPACE was here"

illustrator "print preview" is darker

systemd Loaded: bad-setting "has a bad unit file setting"

Re: For some searches the whole screen on Google is now ads

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Post by mmind »

Twinklebreeze wrote: post #214
klabb3 wrote: post #173

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I haven't used Youtube Premium myself, but I've heard many reports of both ads and promotional crap that gets through to premium users. I'm also pretty sure that data collection is still on, meaning that you'll get tracked and ads elsewhere (such as on Google.com) based on tracking your youtube premium behavior.

I've had Youtube Premium for as long as I can remember. I subscribed to Google Play Music, and they had a promotion for free Youtube Red with a subscription to GPM. I've kept it continuously since then, for free, and I've never seen an ad. I forget that Youtube even has ads until someone else puts a video on. I've also watched a lot of Youtube. I've seen every RedLetter Media video at least twice. This is all anecdot…

I have the same experience. I watch lots of educational YouTube content and share my premium subscription with my wife and kids. I could never go back to ad-based YouTube.

Re: For some searches the whole screen on Google is now ads

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Post by mmind »

202202050025 wrote: post #170
mmind wrote: post #150

Many people here suggests other services, including services you can pay for to bash Google. The reality is that Google offered Google Contributor and now offers YouTube premium but most people prefer free content with ads. And that is fine. I find very surprising the HN folks complaining about the tech companies making ads-based money for their services when they are not willing to pay for the ad-free version. It is…

> Ad blockers are piracy and kill jobs, same as downloading movies or books. Well, maybe I don't want to watch ads so that binary-tree-inverting MIT/Stanford graduates could get their 6-figure compensation packages for participating in a natural monopoly?

Well, the creators of the content you watch do have to eat too. They are the ones that make most of the money from those ads, and the ones that hurt most if you do not support them.

Re: For some searches the whole screen on Google is now ads

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Post by mmind »

klabb3 wrote: post #173
mmind wrote: post #150

Many people here suggests other services, including services you can pay for to bash Google. The reality is that Google offered Google Contributor and now offers YouTube premium but most people prefer free content with ads. And that is fine. I find very surprising the HN folks complaining about the tech companies making ads-based money for their services when they are not willing to pay for the ad-free version. It is…

I haven't used Youtube Premium myself, but I've heard many reports of both ads and promotional crap that gets through to premium users. I'm also pretty sure that data collection is still on, meaning that you'll get tracked and ads elsewhere (such as on Google.com) based on tracking your youtube premium behavior.

Try it, is free to try. The experience is quite great without ads but do not trust me or others, try for yourself if you watch YouTube and want to support creators but hate the ads.

Re: For some searches the whole screen on Google is now ads

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Post by mmind »

melenaboija wrote: post #171
mmind wrote: post #150

Many people here suggests other services, including services you can pay for to bash Google. The reality is that Google offered Google Contributor and now offers YouTube premium but most people prefer free content with ads. And that is fine. I find very surprising the HN folks complaining about the tech companies making ads-based money for their services when they are not willing to pay for the ad-free version. It is…

What are you basing tour thoughts on? Also, what do you find fair about ad free youtube (which BTW I pay)? I am paying the same for youtube, which is a platform that takes content created from others, adds ads to it and the make me pay to remove them than for Netflix, which partially produces its own content. I sometimes think that youtube premium is the best idea to make money without doing anything else than make y…

Well, I assume creators think that Google brings value or they would simply host their videos in a CDN themselves, at least when they already have an audience. I think YouTube provides creators a reach that others can't. Probably because of the hundreds of video clients they support or the quality of the stream even in the most hostile network conditions.

Re: For some searches the whole screen on Google is now ads

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Post by mmind »

falcor84 wrote: post #194
mmind wrote: post #150

Many people here suggests other services, including services you can pay for to bash Google. The reality is that Google offered Google Contributor and now offers YouTube premium but most people prefer free content with ads. And that is fine. I find very surprising the HN folks complaining about the tech companies making ads-based money for their services when they are not willing to pay for the ad-free version. It is…

> Ad blockers are piracy and kill jobs {{citation needed}}

Just ask Google, how much money do ad blockers steal from content creators, lots of people reporting how their sites now produce way less money than they used to.

Re: For some searches the whole screen on Google is now ads

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Post by wakeupcall »

freediver wrote: post #425
wakeupcall wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using kagi for a while. I was using google+ublacklist, and (mostly) searx prior to that. I only care about search, every other feature (maps, listicles, etc) is worthless to me. So far I've been quite pleasantly surprised. I didn't need to de-prioritize anything yet, and most of my queries are technical. I would pay for it, but like you say, I'm not sure how much. 5$ for unlimited searches is something I'd…

> I definitely see the problem with the API cost of the underlying calls though. That feels like a huge argument that having your own index is important to compete in the market. A Google size index that is potentially able to replace google results would probably cost $100m-$1B to build. We have a fraction of that built for noncommercial results (try Noncommercial lens in Kagi to see how it works).

Aside from the upfront cost, how much do you think a query would cost? I know it's a bit hand-wavy as it depends on the infrastructure itself, but maybe you already have an order of magnitude of the projected cost? I wonder just how much margin google/bing is actually making with the API.

I guess kagi is currently running at a loss?

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Post by nicce »

thfuran wrote: post #430
nicce wrote: post #422

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If the business model would be somehow changed to non-ad based, then there might motivation for the change.

Everyone selling something would still have strong incentive to SEO themselves to the top.

You could filter those sites manually by yourself, if that is the only negative point.

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Post by thfuran »

nicce wrote: post #448
thfuran wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone selling something would still have strong incentive to SEO themselves to the top.

You could filter those sites manually by yourself, if that is the only negative point.

In a non-ad-funded internet, that would entail filtering out very nearly every result.

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Post by freediver »

wakeupcall wrote: post #447
freediver wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I definitely see the problem with the API cost of the underlying calls though. That feels like a huge argument that having your own index is important to compete in the market. A Google size index that is potentially able to replace google results would probably cost $100m-$1B to build. We have a fraction of that built for noncommercial results (try Noncommercial lens in Kagi to see how it works).

Aside from the upfront cost, how much do you think a query would cost? I know it's a bit hand-wavy as it depends on the infrastructure itself, but maybe you already have an order of magnitude of the projected cost? I wonder just how much margin google/bing is actually making with the API. I guess kagi is currently running at a loss?

> Aside from the upfront cost, how much do you think a query would cost?

My best guess is at about $0.5 per 1,000.

> I guess kagi is currently running at a loss

We are in beta and not chargining any money, so yeah by definition we are running at loss.

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