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Vitalik Buterin on shape rotators vs. wordcels

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Re: Vitalik Buterin on shape rotators vs. wordcels

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Post by somewohere »

zozbot234 wrote: post #7
PaulHoule wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like it or not terminology from the man-o-sphere is going to get normalized. It's astonishing how the term "simp" has exploded since 2019 (e.g. "Don't be a simp for Aella") If the culture can confront the challenge of the incel it will develop the tools that can really face problems like systemic racism, women getting paid less in the workplace where it is easy to say people have "rights" but it is another thing to m…

> If the culture can confront the challenge of the incel We could teach incels not to rape. That would be a start. Then they might start to relate better to women, stop hating them so much and after a while they wouldn't have to be "incels" anymore.

Do you even know what an incel is? I think you and the other poster definitly have different ideas of what the word means. Originally the word had a different meaning than the one it holds nowadays, and as far I remember the "original" online forum was even started by a women, and was in general a sort of self-help group for social outcasts.

These kind of ignorants comments add nothing to the discussion, it should be clear that the person you replied to is talking about what the original meaning of the word is and not what you are painting it to be.

Re: Vitalik Buterin on shape rotators vs. wordcels

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Post by zozbot234 »

PaulHoule wrote: post #10
zozbot234 wrote: post #9

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It's not about "propagandizing them that rape is wrong". It's about freeing them from their entitlement complex around sex/relationships with women, and telling them how to actually become more overtly appealing to them. Online dating is a non-starter because it doesn't let men show off their positive qualities and attitudes, apart from those shallowest most 'Chad'-like ones that incels always love to complain about…

You seem to understand the mission. "Clueless" is a valid adjective to use but any form of "entitled" is a hateful term that rolls off the tongue easily and ends dialog almost as quickly when it is heard. Also ‘rape’ has nothing to do with it and it’s a harmful selfish meme that some people can’t mention ‘males’ without bringing up ‘rape’. Getting through the "clueless" problem seems nearly intractable. If you could…

> but any form of "entitled" is a hateful term

It's a valid description of an attitude which is often quite overtly held, and is ultimately a lot more damaging to the "incel" themself than anyone they might want to interact with. Using a term as strong as "hateful" in this context seems like a thought-terminating-cliche which does little to address the problem.

> If you could tell people "make this small change and it will make a small improvement in your situation" there would be a clear answer, but you can't.

Why not? There are plenty of feasible approaches; the main problem is that there's no structured, widely-supported effort to collectively raise awareness about their potential benefits. The education system has a valid role to play here.

Re: Vitalik Buterin on shape rotators vs. wordcels

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Post by lilsoso »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #2

I think he has fallen a bit too deep in the rabbit hole. Way smarter than me without a doubt though. But now he needs a tweet thread to say his vision on a 4chan started word? Tf No one cares, i would hope

Marc Andreessen cares -- see his Twitter. These terms have caused a minor sensation on tech twitter.

Re: Vitalik Buterin on shape rotators vs. wordcels

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Post by faeriechangling »

zozbot234 wrote: post #7
PaulHoule wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like it or not terminology from the man-o-sphere is going to get normalized. It's astonishing how the term "simp" has exploded since 2019 (e.g. "Don't be a simp for Aella") If the culture can confront the challenge of the incel it will develop the tools that can really face problems like systemic racism, women getting paid less in the workplace where it is easy to say people have "rights" but it is another thing to m…

> If the culture can confront the challenge of the incel We could teach incels not to rape. That would be a start. Then they might start to relate better to women, stop hating them so much and after a while they wouldn't have to be "incels" anymore.

I can think of no period in history where no men were not incels, and I imagine a society that had did away with them would be Brave New World like.

Re: Vitalik Buterin on shape rotators vs. wordcels

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Post by NicoJuicy »

PaulHoule wrote: post #6
NicoJuicy wrote: post #5

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I'd think some seriousness should be applied to people where some non-techies put all their money in and don't even remotely understand it. In normal situations they would reference someone like Vitalik. I'm not sure where the humor should be applied to this "shit show". I've seen to many people lose a lot of money that were unable to listen to a reasonable counter argument. To a point that i couldn't convince someon…

Like it or not terminology from the man-o-sphere is going to get normalized. It's astonishing how the term "simp" has exploded since 2019 (e.g. "Don't be a simp for Aella") If the culture can confront the challenge of the incel it will develop the tools that can really face problems like systemic racism, women getting paid less in the workplace where it is easy to say people have "rights" but it is another thing to m…

But things ARE changing. Democracy, women rights, banishing slavery, ...

A lot has happened in recent years. The US had it's first black president and almost a female ( i wish there was a better candidate).

For other countries, even UAE seems to be slowly changing concerning women rights ( very very slowly)

Europe is further in that regard though.

Re: Vitalik Buterin on shape rotators vs. wordcels

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Post by souKnotho »

PaulHoule wrote: post #8
zozbot234 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the culture can confront the challenge of the incel We could teach incels not to rape. That would be a start. Then they might start to relate better to women, stop hating them so much and after a while they wouldn't have to be "incels" anymore.

That's a non-sequitur. If they were rapists they wouldn't be celibate anymore, they'd be criminals. You can propagandize them that rape is wrong, most of them believe that anyway. It's not going to make any difference in how they relate to women, hate them or not. Many young men are growing up completely alienated. It starts out with broken homes and absent fathers and then the exclusion of men from early childhood e…

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