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The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by fallingknife »

cossatot wrote: post #80
fallingknife wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Squelching small players is the intent. Large institutions are easy to exert political control over. It's hard to exert political control over masses of individuals. It benefits the Republican party when you get your news from FOX. It benefits the Democratic party when you get your news from CNN. It does not benefit the Democratic or Republican party when any individual can broadcast their views to millions of willin…

FOX and CNN are constantly accused of spreading misinformation by huge swaths of the populace (but not necessarily the same swath for both networks).

I'm talking about the specific swath of the populace that can get you banned from YouTube, FB, etc.

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by maccolgan »

guy98238710 wrote: post #200
E2EEd wrote: post #36

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E2EE is offered to all users, whether or not they are law-abiding. More precise is to say that E2EE is offered to users who are primarily law-abiding. Your points are well-heard, even by those in the IC. What isn't occurring, is a good-faith discussion on solving the issues faced by law enforcement and the IC related to the growing entropy of E2EE wielded at scale by folks, a large subset of whom are engaging in crim…

> E2EE wielded at scale by folks, a large subset of whom are engaging in criminal behavior You cannot really engage in criminal behavior exclusively via E2EE communication. Victim would use the communication as evidence. All the crimes you are talking about have an essential component outside E2EE communication, which means that detection and evidence gathering is possible without breaking E2EE.

You'd just have deniable encryption.

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

thomassmith65 wrote: post #148
EarlKing wrote: post #93

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We had a society in which all media was controlled by a handful of corporations who dictated what people saw and thought. That is not by any means a free society. Then along came Bulletin Board Systems and then the Internet, and all that changed. Legislation like the EARN IT Act is meant to turn back the clock to silence the voice of the people so that, once again, only the voice of the bourgeoisie can be heard.

Then along came Bulletin Board Systems and then the Internet, and all that changed. No BBS ever changed diddly squat. Even the internet had minimal impact on politics until the 2000's. The entire comment just sounds like speculation about a time that is, in fact, fairly recent history. We had a society in which all media was controlled by a handful of corporations who dictated what people saw and thought. That only m…

I got suspended in 1999 for distributing a copy of the anarchist's cookbook to other middle schoolers. I got it from my brother who got it from a BBS.

I don't know what I was playing at, I have no need for making bombs, but at the time it was the coolest thing--media outside of the machine.

I can't remember what the rest of my media experience was like (aside from text adventure games over telnet) but I'm pretty sure that the BBS-sourced material stood out to us for a reason.

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by bsder »

tagoregrtst wrote: post #157
bsder wrote: post #104

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Sadly, Feinstein doesn't give one iota of damn ... unless she is being wiretapped. And, at this point, I'm not sure that she actually even knows what she is doing. However, too many people are on the gravy train that are preventing her from resigning.

Feinstein is the senator I dislike the most. Even after she complained like a baby that the FBI had surveilled her (what did she expect?) it didn't affect her political positions one bit. She cant loose the elections because shes a Dem from CA. She cant get primaried because shes in the hands of the SV

> She cant loose the elections because shes a Dem from CA. She cant get primaried because shes in the hands of the SV

It sounds like you need to do some research about California politics.

Feinstein is by no means untouchable. And more of her support comes from Hollywood and old media than from SV. However, she does have a core in San Francisco given that's where she wound up as mayor stemming from the Moscone–Milk assassinations.

California has jungle primaries so winning the primary isn't enough. In 2018, this meant that the main election was between two Democrats--Feinstein (54.2%) and de León(45.8%). This was actually a pretty solid result given that Feinstein is a strongly entrenched, party supported incumbent. And it was actually the closest election since her first.

And 2018 was just the start of the progressive wing of the Democratic party getting started (that was the year that AOC got elected and surprised everybody), so a highly liberal challenger simply wasn't in the cards, yet.

She will have a much tougher road in 2024, but I will be highly surprised if she even runs.

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by marcan_42 »

mrandish wrote: post #10

While this bill is strongly opposed by the Internet Society, ACLU, CDT, and EFF, the critiques I've read don't get much into the real "why" behind this legislation continuing to be pushed so forcefully. The pretext is, of course, "protect the children" and more generally law-and-order with a bonus side-helping of "stop those awful social media giants." While these justifications are (hopefully) obvious misdirection t…

I agree with your comment, but just to point out something counterintuitive:

> privateer (NSO etc) threat actors,

E2EE is actually a boon to NSO and friends. It's how they get to deliver their exploits to targets without the service operator being able to inspect them or filter them, or retroactively analyze them to plug the exploits. NSO doesn't have any traffic inspection capability, so their antics rely entirely on exploiting target devices, and E2EE counterintuitively helps in that case.

If iMessage weren't E2EE it would be very easy for Apple to implement a heuristic to look for suspicious messages and keep a copy for further analysis, or automatically run them through their codebase in a sandbox and see if it results in any indicators of compromise. But they can't do any of that, and that's how NSO sometimes goes on years exploiting the same iOS bugs before Apple figures them out. With E2EE, you have to rely entirely on endpoint security, and the provider can't help you server-side.

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Post by kragen »

whatshisface wrote: post #110
treis wrote: post #74

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>Not really, no, What? You're really arguing that, to put a year on it, in 1990 we didn't have a free society and democracy?

I don't think we have ever had the kind of free society or democracy people think of when they say "we have a free society and a democracy." From jailing anti-war protestors (WWI) to jailing anti-war protestors (Vietnam) to allowing corporations to put serious, nearly life-ruining heat on whistleblowers, to the way the media largely operates by uncritically republishing press releases and communiques, I would say it'…

It's a continuum. Just because Gary Webb "committed suicide" with multiple gunshot wounds to the head doesn't mean the CIA in the 01990s was just as unaccountable as Beria's NKVD, much less just as oppressive. Dan Rather's CBS Evening News was no Wikileaks, much less Wikipedia, but it wasn't Pravda either. Serpico got shot in the face for being the first honest cop in the US, but you could still do business in New York without paying all your profits out to the cops. People in Peoria had enormous freedom in 01930, 01960, and even 01990 that people in Minsk, Shanghai, and Alexandria just didn't.

Today we enjoy many freedoms nobody had in 01990, largely thanks to the internet, but those freedoms are probably not going to last much longer, also thanks to the internet.

Re: The EARN IT act is back, and it’s more dangerous than ever

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Post by EarlKing »

thomassmith65 wrote: post #148
EarlKing wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had a society in which all media was controlled by a handful of corporations who dictated what people saw and thought. That is not by any means a free society. Then along came Bulletin Board Systems and then the Internet, and all that changed. Legislation like the EARN IT Act is meant to turn back the clock to silence the voice of the people so that, once again, only the voice of the bourgeoisie can be heard.

Then along came Bulletin Board Systems and then the Internet, and all that changed. No BBS ever changed diddly squat. Even the internet had minimal impact on politics until the 2000's. The entire comment just sounds like speculation about a time that is, in fact, fairly recent history. We had a society in which all media was controlled by a handful of corporations who dictated what people saw and thought. That only m…

If you genuinely believe that people being able to engage in a frank exchange of views hasn't changed anything... how did Orange Man get elected? :D
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