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Re: Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace for email?

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You can still use the Gmail UI with a custom domain for free. All you need is a mail server. Once it's set up, configure a free Gmail account to fetch your email with IMAP and send from your domain with SMTP. Now you own your email but still get the Gmail UI as long as you want to use it, for free, with the option to use any other client you want as well.

Cloudflare's email routing offering seems to be a good fit for this as far as I can tell.

No SMTP though, so that fixes 50% of the problem.

Re: Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace for email?

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Google is not just email. It's the email client. It's the calendar. It's the calendar integration with email. How do you replace those?

And Google Photos.

That’s not part of Workspace and it will continue working.

Re: Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace for email?

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This question comes up a couple times every month. FastMail always comes up as a recommendation, so if you search comments for FastMail, you’ll find every past thread (and relatively few false positives): https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=tru... Example from a week ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30128198

I really like Fastmail's Android app too. It's probably only a wrapper around a browser, but it works so nice.

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Re: Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace for email?

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Yandex 360 is great and also has calendar support etc. There are a few things that make moving your calendar away from Google pretty hard. If a Google account invites you, the invite still lands in your old calendar for example - even if that's not where your domains MX records point. Lots of third-party software also has mostly Google-specific integrations. Moving away from them is hard, but overall probably worth i…

> If a Google account invites you, the invite still lands in your old calendar for example - even if that's not where your domains MX records point.

Same thing happens with iCloud. Let’s say your iCloud account is ‘bob@example.com’ but that email (and preferred calendar) is hosted elsewhere. If someone using iCloud calendar sends bob@example.com a calendar invite, it will go you your iCloud calendar whether or not you want it to.

Re: Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace for email?

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Google Takeout will export all your mail in mbox format which is easily handled by mail programs like Apple Mail and Thunderbird and should let you sync everything to a new service (if that service won't let you transfer it themselves). I'm using iCloud+ from Apple. It's cheap at $1/mo for 50GB of space and lets me have my custom domains. $3/mo will get you family sharing and 200GB of space (if you want multiple acco…

I just did the Gmail —> iCloud transition and was frustrated that the MBOX format failed to maintain labels / folders. Everything went into a single place. On researching it seemed like the best process was to set up two IMAP accounts in Apple Mail and simply drag and drop the directories. I’ve done this, but it is still a pain and took 100x longer than I expected.

that's because Google has "labels" as their own extension to IMAP. It's non-standard and they don't care. They know it's a lock-in feature.

If you have a linux box around, the "imapsync" tool works well.

Re: Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace for email?

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I've been using Migadu ever since switching away from Google Apps, and I've been happy with their service and pricing.

Another Migadu user here. They've been slow with the rollout for new features (the new alps webmail was promised over a year ago...) but overall, can't complain for the price I'm paying for my two domains (I'm on the $19/year plan).

I'm in the exact same position. I wish they posted more regular updates... I am not very confident this service will be around in 5 years as a result.

Re: Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace for email?

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Just a heads up here: iCloud / OneDrive / Google Drive / DropBox are not a backup solution despite the vendors promoting it. They are there only for convenience. I have experienced file loss on OneDrive. I am now using iCloud and have had no file loss whatsoever. I regularly diff my offline backup with iCloud Drive contents mirrored to my mac. Also to note: About 50% of the stories you hear are users being morons. My…

> Also to note: About 50% of the stories you hear are users being morons. My sister lost some files. She deleted them after fat fingering something Some of these services (e.g. Dropbox) have rollback which would have helped in this situation, and most have a "Rubbish Bin" you can undelete from. I often click on the wrong thing because the web UI is lagging and I delete something by mistake. I agree these services rig…

I got a 15 GB account with Mega. I activated a bonus and got about 5 more. It's full now, but I forgot about that fact until I got an email about that I need to upgrade—bonus has expired —, or they're going to delete the data. But until I do, I can't delete the data, I can't do anything except pay, or everything's gone. So, I guess everything's gone. There is no way I'm putting my card on a service that kidnaps data.

Re: Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace for email?

#169
post #22

Google Takeout will export all your mail in mbox format which is easily handled by mail programs like Apple Mail and Thunderbird and should let you sync everything to a new service (if that service won't let you transfer it themselves). I'm using iCloud+ from Apple. It's cheap at $1/mo for 50GB of space and lets me have my custom domains. $3/mo will get you family sharing and 200GB of space (if you want multiple acco…

If you want to try Apple’s:

I have tried the iCloud+.

It’s unstable, incomplete. Barely not shitty.

Deliberately sparsely and vaguely documented. Their support employees don’t know the features around custom domain, HideMyEmail etc and refuse to accept anything about it on email and then being typical Apple they simply say no to saying anything on email - hell, there is no email you can contact them.

They tell you “yes, this is the behaviour” on phone. They tell you “there is not documentation for it yet”, they refuse to say this on email. There is no email address you can write to. “No there is no other escalation or contact”. Trust me it’s a nightmare.

You hate Gmail not having human support? You’ll start appreciating Gmail’s no support when you will actually be talking to Apple’s support human being bots who will make you feel like hitting your head against the wall at least 7 times per 10 minutes while maintaining complete corporate composure and plastic professionalism.

If you want to use HideMyEmail it’ll be not on your domain. It’ll be locked to the subdomain (@privaterelay.appleid.com) of a company that’s the biggest walled garden this planet has ever seen and so powerful that it can just delete your account and you can do jackshit about it - yes, they have done it. The typical “find a connected employee at Google” also doesn’t work.

There’s not even catch-all. Max three emails.

Do yourself a favour and a get a real and dedicated mail provider like Mailbox, Fastmail etc because even after being few years older than Gmail iCloud mail is much much much worse.

Besides unless you’re also sunk in the walled garden up until your ears or maybe forehead you won’t be able to use 99.12% of iCloud+ anyway (Or maybe nothing if you stop using fruit company devices. I am not even sure and couldn’t figure out from their documentation and support)

Edit: Wow! Fruit company fans already at their downvoting game! Amazing! Ffs, if possible try to pull the fan part of that brain out of the place where sun never shines? I am also a “user” of Apple device(s), just not a “fan”. But it explains how yesterday there was a sub thread (on payment cut thread) how Apple fans give a pass to Apple for everything shitty and evil like feckless apologist drones.

Re: Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace for email?

#170
Check if your domain registrar comes with a free mailbox and mail forwarding (e.g. Gandi), and you can wire it up to a free gmail account with a custom domain. Useful for branding side projects more with custom email addresses.

By the way, is there something special about Cloudflare email routing that people keep mentioning? Don't most registrars come with mail forwarding? It's different?

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