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Re: Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace for email?

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Post by woodson »

mdasen wrote: post #22

Google Takeout will export all your mail in mbox format which is easily handled by mail programs like Apple Mail and Thunderbird and should let you sync everything to a new service (if that service won't let you transfer it themselves). I'm using iCloud+ from Apple. It's cheap at $1/mo for 50GB of space and lets me have my custom domains. $3/mo will get you family sharing and 200GB of space (if you want multiple acco…

Does iCloud+ with custom domains support adding labels, e.g. youremail+label@domain.com?

Re: Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace for email?

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Post by dan_wood »

hughrr wrote: post #123
dan_wood wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No they don’t and it’s a maximum of three email addresses per user. Looking at it they don’t allow for “groups” or aliases either. It feels years behind.

It has only just been rolled out. I think it’s still early days. I’m using it for my domain fine but that has only two users on it.

You’re right it’s only just been rolled out but it’s missing so much fundamental stuff..

I want to make the switch, but I can’t yet. The lack of email lists “groups” is just holding me back. I have about 20 of them. I also have about 15 aliases…

It feels like it’s the beginning of Email…

Re: Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace for email?

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Post by brewmarche »

upofadown wrote: post #118
15characterslon wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be aware that Mailbox.org allows any user to send emails as ("from") any other user via SMTP and these emails will look legit since they pass SPF and DKIM checks. Many consider this a security issue. There was a quite lengthy discussion about this in their forum but they deleted it since. They refused to fix it. Archive.org still has it. Content is in German (sorry): https://web.archive.org/web/20210123192856/https:/…

Anyone willing to spin up a mail server can do this. DKIM and SPF are only intended to establish the identity of the server. I don't know that there is any obligation on the part of someone running a mail server to police the "From:" address on an email in some specific way. Traditionally the "From:" address was considered informational. It generally represents the address that the sender considers "their" email addr…

Seems like it, I just sent an e-mail with it and it resulted in

  h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id:
    to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type;

Re: Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace for email?

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Post by hanche »

g8oz wrote: post #69

Runbox.com out of Norway is rock solid.

I second that. I learned about it years ago, here on HN in fact. I have been using them ever since, happily. Some while ago they were subject to a DDoS attack and service was flaky for a day or two, but apparently the attackers lost interest when the company refused to pay the ransom.

Re: Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace for email?

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Post by justsomehnguy »

discardedrefuse wrote: post #108
fy20 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does FastMail handle tags? I tried Zoho but it's pretty terrible compared to how Gmail works. What I'd like is: 1) To be able to assign tags based on rules 2) To be able to view those tags in IMAP clients (Gmail exposes labels as IMAP folders) 3) To be able to Archive mail so they are no longer in the Inbox, but so the tag remains (in Gmail, 'Inbox' is just a tag that is removed when you Archive mail) Zoho fails…

FastMail doesn't have tags. What it does have? Let me copy/paste my comment from another thread: They have subdomain addressing, which is kind of like plus addressing, but better (not all places let you sign up with plus addressing). I've got my own domain, for example: mydomain.com. So my fastmail email address is depingus@mydomain.com. But with subdomain addressing, I can sign up for services with unique email addr…

You don't even need the subdomain addressing, a one catchall domain is enough (with you own domain).

Eg: I want to register on HN - I would just register with hackernews@mydomain or hn.com.accounts@mydomain or whatever on the mailbox address side - it would be delivered to my main catchall mailbox anyway.

Re: Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace for email?

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Post by 42droids »

buro9 wrote: post #39

Fastmail I've just moved, and it's great. Import is fantastic (I migrated 14GB of email) and I've used Dmarcian to monitor and confirm everything is perfect on the SPF, DKIM front. Spam initially got through, but once trained it's been flawless I've personally abandoned labels for folders as I used barely 10 labels in Gmail and seldom added more than one, but they do support labels if you want that. It's great for wi…

I would love to hear more about your Synology NAS setup if you don’t mind.

Re: Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace for email?

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Post by Glench »

modeless wrote: post #54

You can still use the Gmail UI with a custom domain for free. All you need is a mail server. Once it's set up, configure a free Gmail account to fetch your email with IMAP and send from your domain with SMTP. Now you own your email but still get the Gmail UI as long as you want to use it, for free, with the option to use any other client you want as well.

Oh this is an interesting tip. Any guides? I'd imagine this could have deliverability problems being from a self-hosted mail server but maybe that's just been ingrained in me by email providers :)

Re: Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace for email?

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Post by anjbe »

upofadown wrote: post #118
15characterslon wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be aware that Mailbox.org allows any user to send emails as ("from") any other user via SMTP and these emails will look legit since they pass SPF and DKIM checks. Many consider this a security issue. There was a quite lengthy discussion about this in their forum but they deleted it since. They refused to fix it. Archive.org still has it. Content is in German (sorry): https://web.archive.org/web/20210123192856/https:/…

Anyone willing to spin up a mail server can do this. DKIM and SPF are only intended to establish the identity of the server. I don't know that there is any obligation on the part of someone running a mail server to police the "From:" address on an email in some specific way. Traditionally the "From:" address was considered informational. It generally represents the address that the sender considers "their" email addr…

> Does mailbox.org even include the "From:" address in the DKIM signature?

According to the spec, the “From:” field must be included in every DKIM signature.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6376#section-5.4

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