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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Dwelve »

lazide wrote: post #689
Hermel wrote: post #609

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course they are free to do what they want. But if they do something unethical, like removing content for political reasons, I'm also free to criticize them and for example demand a refund if they lured me into a subscription by claiming I would be able to listen to Joe Rogan. Also, you are making wild assumptions about the contract between Joe Rogan and Spotify. Maybe there's a clause in there that they will not o…

It sounds more like you’re angry that someone is refusing to publish on the platform they own something you personally politically associate with? Which hey, I get. But they are refusing to publish it because they don’t want to be associated with it anymore, and they bought exclusive rights to it from producer, so… And I don’t see Joe Rogan saying he is in a hurry to return the money Spotify gave him for this exclusi…

The only real way to solve that problem is to stop caving to the deranged woke mob.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Dwelve »

srg0 wrote: post #860
Hermel wrote: post #609

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course they are free to do what they want. But if they do something unethical, like removing content for political reasons, I'm also free to criticize them and for example demand a refund if they lured me into a subscription by claiming I would be able to listen to Joe Rogan. Also, you are making wild assumptions about the contract between Joe Rogan and Spotify. Maybe there's a clause in there that they will not o…

I’m the opposite. I paid for Spotify subscription long before Joe Rogan deal, and never listened to any of his podcasts. I learned that they’re controversial after Neil Young was pulled from Spotify. I guess the message was delivered, and I actually considered cancelling my family subscription and switching to something else. I’m happy about their decision, and will remain their customer.

Just so we are clear. You never heard to a single episode, but because woke idiots on twitter said something you considered canceling the service? Like, you were going to cancel because someone said Joe Rogan did something controversial?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Dwelve »

emn13 wrote: post #623
DeWilde wrote: post #602

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> JR sold his catalog of intellectual property Not entirely correct, it is a licensing deal, with exclusivity to Spotify. JR is still the owner of the IP, however, it can only be distributed through Spotify. But your point still stands, Spotify chooses what they will distribute, which is okay. My only gripe, in this whole Spotify/Rogan saga, is with the mainstream media that sees Rogan as a threat to their business m…

Let me go off on a slight tangent: Should all jokes be taken at face value? Communication is a complex business, and surely what's literal is largely irrelevant; what matters is what is communicated; i.e. what a recipient learns from whatever signals you transmit. JR is deceptive not because every spoken word he says taken in isolation is false, but because the way he frames and presents various sources leads listene…

Name a single MSM person or outlet and I'll give you ten stories that were objectively speaking misinformation that led to far more severe consequences than anything Joe Rogan has done. Which one do you want? The "Russian bounty" story? The "Ivermectin ODs keep shot people waiting outside" story? How about the "WMD" thing? Go ahead, let's see how Joe Rogan's latest monkey story compares to that.

TL;DR: People enjoy Joe Rogan because he's having simple conversations without pretending to have all the answers. Meanwhile the entire MSM, from Rachel Maddow to James Clapper has deliberately lied to their audience to push for wars and escalations. If you want to start cancelling, start there.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by steelstraw »

It was only a question of time before the all-out war on Rogan began. He's way too big and off-key to permit him to keep going. The concept of free speech in the US is a mirage: you have it right up to the line where it matters or can threaten power centers, then you don't.

Every major institution is united to destroy Rogan, including the WH. The Press Secretary -- speaking on behalf of the US Govt -- demanded Spotify do more to stop him, and this is treated as normal and benign. Ask Julian Assange if effective dissent is permitted.

The power derived from controlling the flow of information is immense. That's why every tyrant and authoritarian wields censorship power. Tyranny can't exist without it. And as Orwell and Chomsky have both said, the most effective form isn't jailing dissidents but doing this.

Read what Orwell said about why censorship in the UK during the war was so much more effective than the overtly autocratic regimes that just imprisoned dissidents.

We're at the point where we also arrive in these cycles. If you object to the attempt to silence Rogan, then you will be instantly tarred with the same brush used to try to destroy him: You're a racist, anti-vax, etc. etc. That's the enforcement mechanism to keep everyone quiet.

-Glenn Greenwald

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Dwelve »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #692
foogazi wrote: post #585

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. 1. The private corporation “decided” it wanted to broadcast JRE 2. X happened 3. Private corporation decided it didn’t want to broadcast some JRE episodes People are interested to in what X is

X is the private corporation forecasting that it would lose too much money if it continued broadcasting those episodes. There’s also a step 0, which is the private corporation predicting it would make a lot of money if it could exclusively broadcast Joe Rogan.

So if it's profitable for Youtube and Twitter to push for a war and ban all dissenting voices you wouldn't feel there's a need to discuss whether or not that's a good thing, you'd instead have an argument about whether or not private companies should be able to do that?

There are far more interesting issues at hand and if you pretend this is a discussion about the legalities of this behaviour instead of a question about where idiotic self-harming nonsense like this leads our society you're being deliberately obtuse.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by mdoms »

hatware wrote: post #768
voisin wrote: post #186

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Perhaps you do speak for the majority. I am a fairly heavy Podcast consumer (I run a lot and like to listen to them), and JRE is consistently among my top two (always a battle with the ever great Rich Roll) because of the sheer diversity of guests he has on. I don’t care for MMA or most of the comedians so I skip those but that’s fine because Rogan is so prolific that there will be something interesting in the next f…

Do you think referring to Rutger's basketball players as "nappy headed-hoes" was in line? It sounds like you barely have any idea of what Stern's controversy was about.

That wasn't Stern...?

It sounds like you barely have any idea of what Stern's controversy was about.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by zimpenfish »

steelstraw wrote: post #914

It was only a question of time before the all-out war on Rogan began. He's way too big and off-key to permit him to keep going. The concept of free speech in the US is a mirage: you have it right up to the line where it matters or can threaten power centers, then you don't. Every major institution is united to destroy Rogan, including the WH. The Press Secretary -- speaking on behalf of the US Govt -- demanded Spotif…

> It was only a question of time before the all-out war on Rogan began.

Apparently those 70 episodes have racial slurs in. It's not really an "all-out war on Rogan" as much as "Spotify don't want to be seen to be hosting racial slurs in their most visibly public content that they made a specific point of paying $$$ for", right?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Dwelve »

nomilk wrote: post #224

This is bigger than Spotify. Rogan was a proactive person conducting open research into the world around him. When proactive people investigate things and share their findings, it now only takes a few to dislike the findings, fuss, and have the findings removed. To those that support this, I have 4 questions: 1. Is disincentivising sharing knowledge really good for the world? 2. Is it reasonable to expect 100% of inq…

You don't have to pretend this is about truth or accuracy. We have countless examples, literally hundreds if not thousands of people in the MSM media deliberately lying and repeating provable false bullshit. Rachel Maddow pretended Trump was installed by Putin, she said Ivermectin ODs keep gunshot victims waiting outside of hospitals, she said the vaccines will stop the spread of the virus. None of these things are even remotely true but she doesn't have to correct ANY of them.

The motivation behind those actions aren't a desperate attempts to seek truth in a chaotic environment, but people with trying to dominate others.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by detroitcoder »

Dwelve wrote: post #909
hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

Ugh... what's worse than the actual censorship are people like you that pretend to not understand the issue, at all. First of all, WHO ARE YOU ARGUING WITH?!? - "proponent of a free market"? Who are you talking to? Critics of these reactions are not these people, so why on earth are you pretending you want to have a discussion when you deliberately choose to argue with people that have no objection to them? You're ta…

Seems pretty obvious OP is addressing a conservative audience that tends to be pro-free-market. For better or worse it is a VERY political topic and this argument attempts identify contradicting agendas of conservatives that take issue with this.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by hwers »

soared wrote: post #819
hwers wrote: post #811

Watching this get over 730 likes and 1100 comments and be pushed to the very bottom of the front page of HN. Hm.

It has been discussed by Dang before that threads with very high comment activity are punished by the algo as they're almost always flame wars.

Makes me wonder if the bot comments like this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30220886 was a ploy to strategically silence this story somehow (by using abusing the flame war disincentivizer feature).
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