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Re: Ask HN: Software you hate but can't replace?

#51
Lastpass.

I can't replace it because it is the corporate standard at work.

The UI seems to work against me. Search? Don't even bother, better off with just your eyeballs. Refresh? No, try logging out and back in.

There are better alternatives, both when it was chosen and now, but it wasn't my decision to make.

Re: Ask HN: Software you hate but can't replace?

#53

This may be too broad, but instant messaging. I only ever use it as a clipboard to share snippets or screenshots with people, but email is so much better to communicate. In person meetings can't be replaced by text, sorry. I use a shared album for pics and video.

I hold the exact opposite opinion. I hate in-person meetings, or voice call meetings or video call meetings because there's no written record of anything unless you're also transcribing, in which case you're not concentrating or thinking.

Re: Ask HN: Software you hate but can't replace?

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MS Teams: What makes it bad: First of all, it uses Electron, thus it is laggy and wastes too much resources. Maybe it is just a pet peeve of mine, but I hate , if an application does not look native on my GNOME Desktop and does not follow any HIG. Another factor is the proprietary nature of MS Teams. If it was open, there would probably be some other client/some way to have a real native client. My preferred alternat…

I use Teams on Mac, and frankly while I started off just disliking it because of the Electron lagginess, over time that's been overshadowed by a bunch of other stuff:

- It's basically a Skype reskin, so it has a lot of visual elements and quirks that carry over from that — most of them haven't aged well. The reacts alone are taken straight from Skype, and they never seem to sync up if people react to a comment in quick succession. It seems like a small complaint, but it's really surprising to see in something built by a trillion-dollar company.

- Speaking of UI issues, why does Teams insist on using a custom notification bubble instead of using the native ones that all other electron apps seem to be able to do? They don't play well with full-screen apps, and they're generally pretty clunky.

- Video calls also fall apart if you have more than 4 people in them (even if most people aren't sharing video). This has led to screenshare drop outs for seemingly no reason.

- I don't understand why Microsoft thinks Teams needs to do _everything_ productivity related; it's a mediocre video chat client, a _really_ mediocre text chat client, and possibly the worst calendar I've ever had to work with, which is saying something, because most other calendars I've had to use are pretty awful. The scheduling assistant alone is one of the most counter-intuitive pieces of UI I've ever used, and managing event ownership is a nightmare. IT had to be called in to delete a zombie event that was supplanted by a new event, but the owner of the original event had left the company.

Not to put too fine a point on it: I've had to use a lot of chat clients over the years, from IRC, to Slack, to Jabber, plus some less professional-oriented software like Discord and Steam chat (which is itself pretty bad), and I can say honestly that my loathing for Teams burns with the passion of a thousand suns. That anyone would deliberately choose to pay for it baffles me.

Re: Ask HN: Software you hate but can't replace?

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MS Teams: What makes it bad: First of all, it uses Electron, thus it is laggy and wastes too much resources. Maybe it is just a pet peeve of mine, but I hate , if an application does not look native on my GNOME Desktop and does not follow any HIG. Another factor is the proprietary nature of MS Teams. If it was open, there would probably be some other client/some way to have a real native client. My preferred alternat…

> it uses Electron

Teams v2 won't use Electron[1]; but for now you can get a small performance boost by just opening Teams using a modern web browser (Edge, Chrome, Firefox) at https://teams.microsoft.com/ -- you can even set up a PWA-type app shortcut.

You can uninstall the client after that. I think there's maybe one feature (popout chat windows) that the client has which you can't get in the browser.

[1] https://twitter.com/rishmsft/status/1408085784016539653

Re: Ask HN: Software you hate but can't replace?

#56

Gchat, gdocs, gsheet, gmeet. These are the worst apps of their respective categories, ever to exist. But I am helpless, because I've to use what my company has bought. The number one reason why they're bad is that they are not native apps. They need a tab in the browser, or a fake browser window. The second reason they're bad is because Google does not care about the user experience. Each of these is probably assigne…

Just curious, why do you find Gmeet so bad? Among the three most common used (in my experience ar least zoom teams and meet) I find it the most usable.

Problems with gmeet:

1. No calling function. Most of the times I want to immediately call a person, like a phone. It should make the other person's computer ring, and they should be able to answer the call with one click. Gmeet doesn't do this.

2. Screen sharing options are extremely limited. Compare the ways zoom allows you to share your screen to what meet does. It's hilarious.

3. No screen annotations. No cursor control. No screen pointers. It's quite annoying to have to use such a limited product.

4. Screen sharing and video quality is atrocious. Again, look at zoom to find out what you're missing.

5. Screen recording is horribly low quality. It's almost impossible to read text on a shared screen recording, even though it was readable in the call itself.

6. Layout options. It seems Google has discovered the worst possible algorithms to lay out videos on the screen during a call. Many times it will even minimize presented content, and then everybody has to manually pin the thumbnail. There is no option to overlay the speakers video over presented content, which should be pretty high up in the list of features.

7. In call chat is lost after the call ends. It just goes straight to /dev/null. Who signed off on this?

I can go on, but I'm frustrated now just thinking about it. The problem is people don't even know how good the other stuff is. So it's hard to convey my helplessness.

Re: Ask HN: Software you hate but can't replace?

#57

Zoom. Sick of this app hijacking the audio channel of my Bose headphones when I'm not in a call.

As much as they try to hide the fact, it is actually possible to join a Zoom meeting in your browser. That way you don't have to install a sketchy app with root privileges and directory traversal bugs.

Re: Ask HN: Software you hate but can't replace?

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atlassian suite

It may be an unpopular opinion, but I really enjoy writing wiki pages in Confluence.

While I detest Jira, I find Confluence to be quite good for writing documentation. It's full featured and mostly just works. For our customer facing documentation at work we use Zendesk and while it's good it's nowhere near as good as Confluence.

Re: Ask HN: Software you hate but can't replace?

#59

Gchat, gdocs, gsheet, gmeet. These are the worst apps of their respective categories, ever to exist. But I am helpless, because I've to use what my company has bought. The number one reason why they're bad is that they are not native apps. They need a tab in the browser, or a fake browser window. The second reason they're bad is because Google does not care about the user experience. Each of these is probably assigne…

Gdocs doesn't go without it's issues. Switching from GSuite to Office365 made me want to rip out my eye balls. The online version of word is awful comparatively and depending on always having an installation of word doesn't work in all contexts. Gsuite in general is accessible and works well for Collab. And of course Teams is on a whole different dimension of pain.

> online version of word is awful

I agree. That's why I believe each of these apps should be a native app, built for your os. MS Word on windows 10 is an unbeatable word processor. Nothing else on the web comes even close. Same with Excel.

Re: Ask HN: Software you hate but can't replace?

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Whatsapp. It's a garbage app, made by a garbage company running like garbage on a garbage protocol. There is no realistic alternative because friends and family expect you to have it.

Out of interest what do you not like about the whatsapp app? The core functionality seems pretty solid to me.

Lack of granular settings for notifications, wonky integration with the desktop client, groups, your id is your phone number.

There isn't much that's wrong per se, but when compared to e.g. Telegram it's much worse.

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