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Re: Adobe tricks users into a 12 month contract

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This isn't a solution and doesn't excuse Adobe's shitty behavior, but I use privacy.com which gives you single-purpose cards. That way, I can just pause the card and subsequent charges will fail. Then let them try to get their money. Pull-based payments are such a bad idea, implemented even worse. Privacy.com at least gives you per-merchant controls and limits, even though this really should have been a Visa default.

> privacy.com

Not for those of us who don't live in the US unfortunately.

Re: Adobe tricks users into a 12 month contract

#52
Meh. It’s not great, could definitely be clearer, but it’s also bordering on intentionally obtuse to claim you have no idea what ‘annual contract paid monthly’ means.

I mean, all of the words are right there. Any time I sign up for an annual contract I assume I’m in it for, well, about a year.

If I didn’t want an annual contract, or wanted to see if there were options, I’d simply hit that little drop down box there and voila - it’s even clearer.

Re: Adobe tricks users into a 12 month contract

#53
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems pretty obvious to me, it's an annual contract you pay for monthly, I have many such contracts

But thats a monthly plan? I would pay monthly... an annual plan I would pay once per year... or is that their cunning terms - 'contract' rather than 'plan' kind of thing

A monthly plan would be one that you can cancel with a month's notice

An annual plan would be one you can cancel with a year's notice

The payment terms might be all in one, or in daily, weekly, or monthly amounts

Re: Adobe tricks users into a 12 month contract

#54

OT rant: > Ooh, I can scroll. That was not obvious at all. It is if you use a proper browser+OS combo. Why some designers thought it was a good idea to hide the scroll bar in their OS (which some browsers adopt to) is beyond me. It's also an annoyance as a user with a browser that display scrollbars. The amount of random scrollbars appearing because the devs never tested anything but Mac+Chrome is staggering.

> the devs never tested anything but Mac+Chrome Which Android browsers show scrollbars?

Difference is a mobile view is often designed with that in mind, so it works across the board.

On desktop, I've had random horizontal scrollbars even on big sites like GitHub. Non-functional as the content had enough space, but still there, because no one bothered to test.

I do think hiding it on mobile devices is bad as well, though. Leads to exactly the issue in the twitter thread, with more content not being noticed.

Found an old discussion on it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24293421

Working link: http://web.archive.org/web/20210226184710/https://svenkadak....

Re: Adobe tricks users into a 12 month contract

#55

OT rant: > Ooh, I can scroll. That was not obvious at all. It is if you use a proper browser+OS combo. Why some designers thought it was a good idea to hide the scroll bar in their OS (which some browsers adopt to) is beyond me. It's also an annoyance as a user with a browser that display scrollbars. The amount of random scrollbars appearing because the devs never tested anything but Mac+Chrome is staggering.

There's a setting on MacOS: System preferences > General > Show scroll bars > Always; but neither developers nor end users seem to enable it.

Plus — and this is a pet peeve of mine — there's a growing number of developers who would use the Tailwind CSS library and apply its "w-screen" class to their elements. The w-screen class sets element width to 100vw, which does not take into account the width of the vertical scrollbar. So the moment the page content gets taller than viewport height and a vertical scrollbar appears, the 100vw width of an element exceeds the available width of the page, and causes a horizontal scrollbar to appear as well. Argh!

Re: Adobe tricks users into a 12 month contract

#56
I am not quite sure why people don't grasp that it's an annual plan for really expensive software.

"Annual plan, billed monthly" is about as easy as it's going to be in four words on a button or by a button.

If you could rent it for just a month now and then, wouldn't you only rent it in the months you need it?

They make it so you can't.

There's a solution: DON'T USE IT.

Ask yourself seriously: what is it you want to do that the Affinity Suite (which costs about, what, £150 and then £20 each for the two iPad apps) cannot do for you. It's not toy software; it's enormously capable (and improves on Adobe's approach in several places). It has surprisingly complete PSD and Illustrator import, it runs Photoshop plugins, it's cross-platform and it runs well on old hardware (at least on the Mac).

Failing that, you have Krita, Inkscape, Scribus, Darktable, Rawtherapee, GIMP if you must, and they are all pretty surprisingly good. Plus there are video options that are cost-effective or free (Resolve, for example, runs on Linux). There are all sorts of viable competitor apps on other platforms.

Adobe aren't really evil -- they are a giant, slow-witted, largely benevolent monopoly, weighed down by a lot of cruft. (They are also fairly reasonable on the phone and support portals). But you don't need to use their stuff; you can create a sane workflow that routes around them with decent tools.

Complaining about a "dark" pattern that up front tells you that you're getting into an annual commitment for something incredibly expensive strikes me as missing the point; the point is subscriptions are tricky and you shouldn't expect to be able to game them.

Vote with your feet.

Re: Adobe tricks users into a 12 month contract

#57

I cancelled an adobe subscription years ago. I still get constant emails about renewing. I hate subscriptions so much. The only one we have right now is Disney+ for the kids.

I want to watch _Get Back_, but the only way to see it is to sign up for Disney+. It's not worth the agony of navigating a subscription.

The US legal environment and lack of consumer protections makes it too difficult to spend money and get what you want in return. It's incredibly hard to avoid getting ripped off by technically-legal-but-predatory schemes.

Re: Adobe tricks users into a 12 month contract

#58
For anyone stuck in this dark pattern here is a trick I've used in the past:

Adobe won't let you cancel without paying the remainder of your subscription fee however you can switch to a different plan. As soon as you switch you'll have the ability to cancel your "new" plan within 14 days. If you cancel after 14 days they'll charge you the early termination fee.

Re: Adobe tricks users into a 12 month contract

#59

I fell for this. When I called adobe to complain the service rep said, in a manner not much polite than this, that "I don't believe you that you didn't know you were signing up for a year". Looking back, I now see where I agreed, but the manner in which they attempt to deceive you is criminal.

CC chargeback.

Re: Adobe tricks users into a 12 month contract

#60

I fell for this. When I called adobe to complain the service rep said, in a manner not much polite than this, that "I don't believe you that you didn't know you were signing up for a year". Looking back, I now see where I agreed, but the manner in which they attempt to deceive you is criminal.

For future reference, just tell the vendor "I did not authorize this charge. Please refund me". Don't engage them further.

When that call fails (or, if they don't pick up the phone in a reasonable amount of time), call your credit card company and say "I want to issue a charge back". They'll ask if you tried to work with the vendor. Answer "yes", full stop.

There should be a phone number associated with the charge on your credit card bill. Start (and end your interaction with the vendor) by calling that number.

Edit: You can also say "this service wasn't rendered", or "I never received the product I ordered", as applicable. Those are specifically listed as valid reasons to issue a chargeback. The person at the credit card company has to enter a numeric reason code for the charge back, and by using those phrases (or similar), you're making their lives easier.

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