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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by driverdan » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 2:23 PM UTC

emsy wrote: post #472

digitcatphd wrote: post #470

I fail to see how anyone can seriously listen to Joe Rogan. He has a circus of quacks and conspiracy theorists on the show and when he does occasionally have a legitimate scientist he can barely muster any response beyond “wow that blows my mind”

Yes, there are occasional episodes with quacks. But using those to dismiss the whole show is blatantly ignorant.

Look at the list of deleted episodes. The majority of the shows are with far right, hateful people who should never be platformed. It's not even quacks, it's pure hate.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by chrisrhoden » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 2:26 PM UTC

concinds wrote: post #324

afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

The open web is dead. It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that. The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empo…

> or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that.

You mean by clicking a link on his website?

How likely is it that google would block joe rogan's website from search results for joe rogan?

I feel like people keep dodging a central issue here - joe rogan is not an independent being silenced on the open web by centralized platforms - he effectively sold the show to one of the platforms. They decide what happens with it (specifics of the terms of their agreement notwithstanding).

this isn't the first controversial audio programming on the internet, but it is the first one that is effectively owned by one of the listening platforms that actually has the power to do something without wading into unfathomably complicated waters, if they want to. that they (until today?) seemed not to want to - or to pretend that their relationship to the show is the same as twitter's relationship to me - is what is keeping this in the news.

To be 100% clear - it's not obvious to me what anyone should do in this case; joe, spotify, etc. I have my own opinions about the cost / benefit on the content but I also know enough to expect that things are probably more complicated than the popular narrative I have access to.

What I do know for sure is that Joe would have more control of his show's destiny, not less, if he had decided to keep distributing in a way that did not give a single entity complete control over whether a given piece of content could be distributed at all.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by jayfae » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 2:26 PM UTC

digitcatphd wrote: post #470

I fail to see how anyone can seriously listen to Joe Rogan. He has a circus of quacks and conspiracy theorists on the show and when he does occasionally have a legitimate scientist he can barely muster any response beyond “wow that blows my mind”

Because he's a compassionate and free thinking interviewer who approaches a conversation like a real human being. With respect for the individual whether the person has controversial opinions or not, which seems to be something lost in media these days with the constant need to be 'right'.

His interviews aren't template question a, template question b, it comes across like a natural conversation, an opportunity to talk to experts in a plethora of different topics and gain an insight to the distilled wisdom of individuals who have spent their life researching their respective fields.

Personally anyway ^^

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by dwpdwpdwpdwpdwp » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 2:26 PM UTC

rbanffy wrote: post #536

concinds wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The open web is dead. It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that. The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empo…

> The open web is dead. Spotify is NOT the open web. Rogan can host the audio files on his own site. That’s the open web. Spotify is under no obligation to offer him or anyone any sort of service if they don’t want to.

What's funny is that Joe Rogan was an active participant on the 'open web'. He had his own a website with a blog and discussion forums, and the podcast started as vlog entries in a text blog.

For example:

https://web.archive.org/web/20040622121025/joerogan.net/main...

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by chasing » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 2:30 PM UTC

darkhorse13 wrote: post #499

digitcatphd wrote: post #470

I fail to see how anyone can seriously listen to Joe Rogan. He has a circus of quacks and conspiracy theorists on the show and when he does occasionally have a legitimate scientist he can barely muster any response beyond “wow that blows my mind”

Exactly why I listen to him. What makes you think we all want to only listen to mainstream opinions filtered by media "experts" and journalists? Also I'm absolutely fascinated by some of the fringe people and their ideas, particularly Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson, Robert Schoch, i.e. the ancient civilization stuff. Literally nobody else in the media discusses these things with so much earnestness as Joe Rogan.

Always fascinating to me that being interested in fringe science and history always seems to mean listening to people who have no idea what they’re talking about instead of finding the actual fringes and edges of legitimate research and understanding. Probably because the quacks are easier to understand and simply more fun, since they’re aiming to be entertaining rather than accurate. And accuracy is, frankly, boring.

Anyway, going back to reading my book about how aliens told Bill Gates how to invent computers in 1992, leading him to found Apple and help the Allies win World War 2. It’s the story the mainstream media doesn’t want you to hear.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by tutuncommon » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 2:31 PM UTC

As soon as you take a dollar from someone your freedom is over.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by sovietmudkipz » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 2:31 PM UTC

I would rather they put BEEPs around the offending content.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ghaff » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 2:35 PM UTC

rbanffy wrote: post #536

concinds wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The open web is dead. It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that. The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empo…

> The open web is dead. Spotify is NOT the open web. Rogan can host the audio files on his own site. That’s the open web. Spotify is under no obligation to offer him or anyone any sort of service if they don’t want to.

Agreed. That said, no one is an island. A hosting provider, ISP, CDN, even DNS can all decide to make you disappear from the web. Of course, it's a much higher bar than relying on Facebook, Twitter, or Spotify.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by MrMan » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 2:38 PM UTC

ahmed_ds wrote: post #131

I think I speak for the majority of people here. Before the Spotify deal, you would just see couple of Joe Rogan clips on YouTube and you have sat through maybe 3-4 entire podcasts. You don't care much about MMA or you don't think comedians are that important/hypeworthy as the JRE fandom would claim. After the Spotify deal you just slowly stopped even seeing the clips because for some reason you just don't care to se…

I watched every UFC for many years and loved Rogan the jiu jitsu geek. the new radicalized Rogan I have no patience for. I dont need to be indoctrinated into gun nut conspiracy culture, I already live in the South.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by foogazi » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 2:38 PM UTC

digitcatphd wrote: post #470

I fail to see how anyone can seriously listen to Joe Rogan. He has a circus of quacks and conspiracy theorists on the show and when he does occasionally have a legitimate scientist he can barely muster any response beyond “wow that blows my mind”

I’ve listened to him interview Neil deGrasse Tyson, Elon Musk, Bernie Sanders

It was entertaining to me - I can’t tell how what he does now or in 10 years affects what is said in the previous episodes