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Re: For some searches the whole screen on Google is now ads

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Last night I watched a YouTube video that had a song in the background that I hadn't heard but really liked. I pulled up Shazam but it didn't recognize the song, so I took to Google. I entered the lyric and added the search terms "lyrics" and "r&b" at the end. Google returned 4 YouTube videos to songs that didn't contain the lyric, a link to a Boyz II Men song on Genius that didn't contain the lyric (good job Google,…

I tried for few months, but unfortunately DDG results are really poor for local searches. Whenever I want to find something in Polish, half of the results are from some autotranslated websites. Also Google is the only one that shows local business in a useful way.

Sounds like a pretty easy division of when to use which search engine though, no? Better than the hit-or-miss issue being completely random at least

Re: For some searches the whole screen on Google is now ads

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This is the summary of the second hit on Duck Duck Go (the first hit is a troubleshooting article about the feature): > A built-in load sensor automatically detects the laundry load and a microprocessor optimizes washing conditions such as ideal WATER LEVEL and washing time. Turbo drum washing (option) When "Punch + 3" washing wings turn, the washing tub turns in the opposite direction. I accidentally searched for th…

Appreciate the effort, but my example was for clothes load sensing (what it does before determine the water required.) I've watched it at work and as best as I can tell, it takes inertial mass readings by wiggling the drum using a specified current, and measuring how far the drum oscillates. Or maybe it predetermines the amplitude and measures the power required? I'm just guessing. What I want to find out: is either…

I am pretty sure they measure moment of inertia by applying a know torque and note the acceleration?

Re: For some searches the whole screen on Google is now ads

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I'm just gonna throw this out there as I'm noticing it more and more at this point since switching languages. What the actual F has happened to google search results for programming issues? I used to be able to google a question and get, more or less, a right answer from a forum or stack overflow. Recently, many coding tutorial websites have clearly figured out how to hack googles pageranks and now instead of one 'ri…

Python has been the worst for me; it's almost impossible to find the official documentation for modules/functions. Defining search aliases or custom search engines in the browser with URLs like ''' https://www.google.com/search?q=site:docs.python.org+%s ''' is probably the reasonable thing to do.

https://zealdocs.org

Re: For some searches the whole screen on Google is now ads

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They are getting to be so terrible, what kind of bureaucracy motivates them to throw away their crown jewel? Is Adwords the only self-made product they have that actually works anymore? Maybe their business model is only Adwords and selling surveillance data, and our understanding simply hasn't caught up to that fact yet.

it's not that. it's the marriage of top down OKRs, politics driven performance reviews, and a seemingly unbounded pay scale

Sounds like a reasonable definition of "bureaucracy" to me!

Re: For some searches the whole screen on Google is now ads

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But they show up in the cached google search preview as well. I search for something that doesn't exist, and you get 5 "shopping" sites that have faked URLs and faked product entries for the non-existant product. Like you see in the cached textlines: "Buy reptilecandy here, low prices!!" or something, and the URL to the site seems legit, trustedstore.com/reptilecandy/ but if you click on it you just get to the shop t…

Have you found a site that sells reptile candy? I’ve been searching forever. Failing to find it had been my greatest regret.

This actually turned out to be an example of what was discussed... if you google "reptilecandy" (as one word) you get some of these weird search results that do look like they have a category on the shop that has Reptile Candy, with the appropriate Title and search excerpt.

Clicking on one of the sites linked in the search results gives:

https://www.zazzle.com/reptile+candy+favors

And on their shop page it seems they have a section called "Reptile Candy & Favors". But if you click on the category above, Candy & Favors, there is no sub-section list so the sub-section is probably entirely dynamically generated.

So there's something weird going on, I wonder how those dynamic categories end up in googles search excerpts. Can they pay google to inject non-existant pages and sections into the results? (the search result in question was not marked as an Ad though)

Re: For some searches the whole screen on Google is now ads

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I'm just gonna throw this out there as I'm noticing it more and more at this point since switching languages. What the actual F has happened to google search results for programming issues? I used to be able to google a question and get, more or less, a right answer from a forum or stack overflow. Recently, many coding tutorial websites have clearly figured out how to hack googles pageranks and now instead of one 'ri…

100%.

Spurious garbage SEO programming sites showing unhelpful code snippets in particular have had a big productivity hit on my coding.

I wonder what the people working on those sites think about what they’re doing.

Re: For some searches the whole screen on Google is now ads

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Just as I saw this link a notification popped up on my Pixel phone: > Trending: "Turkey inflation rate" > See search results I've already put a lot of effort into purging as many categories of Google spam notifications from my phone as possible, but they just keep adding new categories that I have to track down and opt out of individually. And the only way to silence them from the notification itself is to block all…

I like my pixel phone. It runs GrapheneOS, and it only took a few hours of futzing to get the camera to perform like stock. (The wireless charging stand is a different story. It has a fan, and the only way to disable the fan involves running some system extension that requires deep kernel integration with the factory version of Android. Other than that, it's been remarkably trouble free.)

I've been considering graphene. I'd love to hear more about any other usability issue or problem you've experienced no matter how small, if you have the time. it's surprisingly difficult to find detailed accounts of this online (even via DDG!) I am aware of graphene's features from the website but can't find a comprehensive list of, for example, which UK banking apps categorically don't work, or which other features or obscure minor setting is missing.

Re: For some searches the whole screen on Google is now ads

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It isn't an either or situation. Personally I used to watch Youtube quite a bit more but barely watch it at all these days thanks to their oppressive censorship policies.

In my experience people making these "freedom stands" are a statistical minority that in no way influences actual mass markets, much like those Greenpeace people chaining themselves to oil & gas equipment to stop it from being used. I mean, it's nice and noble but the vast majority of people don't follow you and corporations don't care as long as you don't become a social and political landmark. If you go quietly for…

>In my experience people making these "freedom stands" are a statistical minority that in no way influences actual mass markets

>.., favorite content producers moved to another platform,..

This was my grip against youtube, it wasn't merely a principled stand. Numerous independent content creators that I had followed and subscribed to on Youtube have been either censored, demonetized or blocked completely in the last couple of years. It doesn't matter to your bottom line until you censor, discourage, or otherwise drive away enough people where it does start to matter, as Facebook found out a few days ago. Perhaps Youtube/Google is such a monopolistic revenue juggernaut that it can continue to censor, demonetize and ban content creators liberally and without any coherent standards and still churn out a profit. We'll see.

Re: For some searches the whole screen on Google is now ads

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I've been looking into alternative search workflows.

Google (and near equivalents) feel a bit like Windows GUI when I want Linux cli for a) quickly going to a site I already know, b) answering a question when I have a bias about where good answers will be found, c) picking one thing from a long list

I feel there's already an equivalent with a few rough edges but a power tool I can be productive with.

Any product that aims at Google's entire market is only going to turn into Google, I need an ecosystem of tools so there will always be one that is aimed at my use case.

It feels like there's a common sentiment around this so there may be room for a new business model or open source approach.

One thing is bang searches, like duckduckgo has. So if you already know the site you want to search, and they have decent search then you can use their search directly.

There's an open standard for advertising your local search but it feels a bit forgotten like RSS Vs twitter. You can find lists of sites that advertise this search in the Mycroft project on mozdev.

I think Firefox has a non standard extension for search suggestions too.

If the sites don't have decent search, you can get a site specific search via Google or whatever, but it feels like site specific search for code related things would be a good niche. Like Google, you don't need to own the content, just index it better by adding intelligence from context.

You can even aggregate across a few different sites, like official docs plus official discussion, email archives, a Reddit sub and so on as appropriate. Yes you'll miss the long tail, but you'll have limited the scope so much that there would be a lot for value in exact searches for errors and other similar things.

Possibly language communities could build their own index?

The same for discussion sites seems possible and other general groups of search tasks. Wikipedia is a good target too.

If you built a good one you could then offer it to the sites to use as their internal search too, in a virtuous cycle.

On that note I'm going to go look up what Algolia does in this space.

Re: For some searches the whole screen on Google is now ads

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I tried for few months, but unfortunately DDG results are really poor for local searches. Whenever I want to find something in Polish, half of the results are from some autotranslated websites. Also Google is the only one that shows local business in a useful way.

Sounds like a pretty easy division of when to use which search engine though, no? Better than the hit-or-miss issue being completely random at least

Absolutely! I switched back to Google as default, but still search things also with DDG.
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