> "The 'older sisters' pulled my hair and beat me. All my hair fell out when I was at school," says Aysu, now 10. > "If we cried, the 'older brother' made us stand still facing the wall or hit us," says Lütfullah, now 8. > When children didn't follow orders or learn quickly enough, their teacher would put them into a stress position they call "the motorcycle," the children say. Aysu and Lütfullah demonstrate: two arm…
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#122Can anyone point to a change or sacrifice they have made because they disagree with Chinas treatment of anyone?
1. I always check the country of origin before buying. I still buy China-made products when there's absolutely no other option, but whenever there's an alternative made anywhere outside China (whether higher priced, or even slightly inferior), I buy that instead. 2. Going to fund the development (since I can't do this myself) of a browser plugin to help people find non-China goods on Amazon easily. Just two features:…
I published 'Country of Origin : India' browser extension a year ago[1][2] which whitelists made in India products on Amazon(.in) by hiding others. As a research to find if people are really willing to put money where their mouth is, But the latest trade data shows that in-spite of anti-China sentiment being all time high; People are not reflecting it in their purchases[3].
Perhaps it would be different in a country with higher purchasing power, There are other extensions which labels USA, UK etc. which might deserve your funding. But there might not be an extension which blacklists a particular country and wouldn't be surprised if it's against ToS.
[1] Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/country-of-or...
[2] Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/country-of-origin-...
[3] https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/foreign-tr...
Re: Uyghur kids detail abuse at China's boarding schools in Xinjiang
#123> In quiet, polite voices, Aysu and Lütfullah Kuçar describe the nearly 20 months they spent in state boarding schools in China's western region of Xinjiang, forcibly separated from their family. > Under the watchful gaze of their father, the two ethnically Uyghur children say that their heads were shaved and that class monitors and teachers frequently hit them, locked them in dark rooms and forced them to hold stres…
It takes a crazy hostile country to kidnap tourists. It goes against all accepted norms of how countries should engage.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds like what the US and Canadian government did to indigenous children. That's not to excuse anything the Chinese government does but it feels like they dusted off an old playbook.
> But they say the worst punishment was being sent to the school's basement. Lütfullah says the teachers told him ghosts lived there, and children including him were locked there in the dark, alone, for hours at a time. I wasn't aware the US or Canadian governments had institutionalized these kinds of punishment (or similar) to specifically indigenous people in a peaceful period. Was this really the case and were cou…
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But they say the worst punishment was being sent to the school's basement. Lütfullah says the teachers told him ghosts lived there, and children including him were locked there in the dark, alone, for hours at a time. I wasn't aware the US or Canadian governments had institutionalized these kinds of punishment (or similar) to specifically indigenous people in a peaceful period. Was this really the case and were cou…
I don't have a comment about the "ghosts" specifically, but this is what I was referring to: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_boarding_sch... "During a peaceful period" seems like a bit of a built-in excuse for the US when it was causing conflict with indigenous people by colonizing them and displacing them from their land. > In any case I don't think it's fair to compare present crimes of a country wi…
I agree there are similarities in so far both countries committed heinous crimes. However that 150 year hindsight China has is not something that should be overlooked, in fact, given identical crimes, I can't think of a worse aggravator.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But they say the worst punishment was being sent to the school's basement. Lütfullah says the teachers told him ghosts lived there, and children including him were locked there in the dark, alone, for hours at a time. I wasn't aware the US or Canadian governments had institutionalized these kinds of punishment (or similar) to specifically indigenous people in a peaceful period. Was this really the case and were cou…
Ongoing controversies around disproportionate indigenous kids thrown in foster care and the mistreatment that occurs at scale for comparable child separation and cultural erasure. It's not formal policy like residential schools, but it's essentially continuation of said practice. > It's hard to find a country a century ago that didn't behave like an absolute savage. Behaving like a "savage" has very little to do with…
Native American population jumps to largest size in modern history [0]
Tribal sovereignty in the United States [1]
Native American Day – September 23, 2022 [2]
Whatever the crime is you're referring to, it's not comparable, are Uighurs given autonomous zones, allowed to celebrate custom holidays and are at their historical population peak?
When you say Native American are undergoing a cultural erasure comparable to the one in China, where Uighurs are in concentration camps to force them lose their culture and identity, I think you'll have to bring more proof than some "ongoing controversies".
[0] https://www.axios.com/census-native-american-alaska-populati...
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_sovereignty_in_the_Un...
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ongoing controversies around disproportionate indigenous kids thrown in foster care and the mistreatment that occurs at scale for comparable child separation and cultural erasure. It's not formal policy like residential schools, but it's essentially continuation of said practice. > It's hard to find a country a century ago that didn't behave like an absolute savage. Behaving like a "savage" has very little to do with…
> Ongoing controversies [...] occurs at scale for comparable child separation and cultural erasure Native American population jumps to largest size in modern history [0] Tribal sovereignty in the United States [1] Native American Day – September 23, 2022 [2] Whatever the crime is you're referring to, it's not comparable, are Uighurs given autonomous zones, allowed to celebrate custom holidays and are at their histori…
> it's not comparable,
Full designation of XJ is Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region (XUAR), modelled after Soviet oblasts which grants minority extra autonomy (and other AA privileges) relative to other PRC administrative subdivisions. Uyghurs at historic population peak and growing even with depressed birthrate via enforcement of family planning. Traditional customs are celebrated, it's heavily pushed / virtue signalled in state propaganda. The new securitization layer is reflection of systemic prosecution in North America where some minorities just happen to be disproportionately represented in jail/programs because the laws were tweaked to fit certain interests. It's the same playbook, whereas PRC interest involves actually integrating minorities whereas interests in west continues to be marginalizing them.
>When you say Native American are undergoing a cultural erasure comparable to the one in China
I'm more saying Uyghurs are finally undergoing cultural erasure comparable to Indigenous peoples in North America. PRC is playing catch-up. Uyghur culture was spared from hard colonization due to logistics until recently. Manifest destiny across Taklamakan Desert too difficult until PRC gained wealth, same with Tibetan plateau. Current PRC repression is merely kicking Uyghurs down to where Indigenous North Americans are now at - sinicizing Uyghurs to the same level North American indigenous peoples have already been westernized. The fact that huge percentage of Uyghurs need to be thrown into reeducation centres to learn Chinese, whereas Indigenous peoples in NA's lingua franca is English shows how much PRC still needs to erase/reprogram. Also sinicization =/= become Han, it's Uyghurs with Chinese characteristics, who will follow Islam with Chinese characteristics (WIP), not imported Salafism. They're not making Uyghurs buddhists. Nor Tibetans atheists. But autonomous regions has to at least direct cultural development in ways that mesh with the country as a whole. What US has already successfully done with history of different repression instruments to coerce restive populations into the melting pot. Literally the model PRC wants to emulate vs previous salad bowl / multicultural oblast model with relatively hands off minority policy. What Canada alleges it is but isn't.
PRC is trying to squeeze 100+ years of western cultural genocide in one generation, without the literal genocide. 10 years from now, PRC would be perfectly content with having english speaking Uyghurs practicing historically tame branch of Islam and mope about their loss of culture and marginalization. Aka, become harmless. But since there's 12+ million of them concentrated in a single region, the sights are set a little higher. If they're lucky they'll get a few mid tier southern cities that will remain predominantly Uyghur, Uyghur patronage networks will get rich of resource exploitation, folks with 1/32 Uyghur with use it to get affirmative action perks for entrance exams etc. PRC is straight up copying western model, but with less blood spilled using modern tech and greater state capacity. North America is just further along the process.
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#128So many holes in this story It is a fact, today, go to streets of many cities and towns in xinjiang, Kashgar, Urumqi, Aksu, you will see kids running around on the streets, speaking in Ughur, Kazakh. Many Uyghur kids speak Uyghur among themselves. You will see cities signs in both Uyghur and mandarin. If Chinese government really have these "boarding schools" to completely ban minority languages, why would kids still…
We didn't see massive uprisings in Nazi Germany also, and there were some Jewish individuals collaborated with the Nazi regime. Your argument couldn't be less convincing.
Nazi Germany murdered 6 million Jews. Nobody is being killed in Xinjiang. Before the Holocaust, the Nazis very openly espoused a theory of racial purity, called the Jews parasites, and passed race laws that systematically separated Jews and "Aryans." Nothing of the sort is happening in Xinjiang. In fact, the Chinese government espouses exactly the opposite view: equality of all ethnic groups.
It's possible to talk about abuses in Xinjiang without engaging in massive, offensive exaggeration and comparing it to the Holocaust.
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sovereignty means many things, but one thing specifically: No other realm may decide the fate of these people. China is sovereign, and we must acknowledge that.
Human rights apply to all humans regardless of where they live.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sovereignty means many things, but one thing specifically: No other realm may decide the fate of these people. China is sovereign, and we must acknowledge that.
Human rights apply to all humans regardless of where they live.