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Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Post by TameAntelope »

blindmute wrote: post #390
TameAntelope wrote: post #389

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It is in no way different, and that's the whole problem. If you condone extrajudicial killings/violence, you condone all of them, because your position is that people should be able to take the law into their own hand, using their own judgement , even if it's flawed judgement (how can you know your own judgement is flawed)? You can't both agree that violence without due process is acceptable, and then disagree with h…

> Your position is that people should be able to take the law into their own hand, using their own judgement, even if it's flawed judgement Yes, and if the judgment turns out to be flawed, then punish them accordingly. There are many instances of laws where the legality depends on circumstances bounded by reasonable judgment, such as self defense. I am legally allowed to kill someone if I fear for my life in some cir…

My original point was not that property cannot be morally defended through violence, my original point was that you cannot defend property morally through violence, which is the law (not a single state allows the use of lethal force to protect property, only life), and it makes perfect sense when you value human life over property (as the vast majority of human society does).

And considering the stakes, it does not make sense to enforce post-hoc a punishment for incorrectly applying this imaginary "defense of property" law you've invented. People's lives are not something you can un-end.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Post by CamperBob2 »

TameAntelope wrote: post #381
CamperBob2 wrote: post #334

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That's up to the thief to decide. It's pretty easy to avoid such "extrajudicial violence," simply by respecting the property rights of others.

What you're doing now is victim blaming. There are a million things that can and often do go wrong already with our criminal justice system, but it does function, more or less, as a way of arriving at a just conclusion; your suggestion that we throw all of that out is, literally, barbaric. I can't believe I have to say this, but society is worse off without laws and a just mechanism by which to enforce them.

your suggestion that we throw all of that out is, literally, barbaric.

Sounds like you're arguing with someone who doesn't actually exist. If this happens frequently, it might be a good idea to talk about it with someone who is there for you.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Post by imwillofficial »

smoldesu wrote: post #382
imwillofficial wrote: post #319

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“Setting a good example” is completely and utterly subjective, and should not be left to a company to manage. If society deems something is in the best interests of society, it should be regulated by law. Asking companies to mind themselves in regards to what is best for society at large, while also mandating they maximize value for shareholders, is confusing at best.

That's a pretty fatalistic way to look at things, but I suppose you're entitled to your own opinion on the matter.

You know what they say about opinions and assholes… Mine stink too.

But think about it, how am I wrong? We set these companies up, by law, to put profit first, then hope they also do the right thing.

Those are misaligned incentives at the very least.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Post by imwillofficial »

ohyeshedid wrote: post #323
imwillofficial wrote: post #318

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>...why should... Sure, right after you show me where I mentioned a second company, and that they should be able to access Apple's network without compensation. Hell, I'll accept you showing where I mentioned a first company by name. You can do better than low effort trolling.

I reread your posts.

I’ll be charitable, what is your point exactly?

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Post by beambot »

duskwuff wrote: post #252
beambot wrote: post #27

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They need to switch over to Helium's LoRa network, which has vastly better coverage...

LoRa and LoRaWAN don't belong to Helium. They existed long before it.

Yes, the protocols have been around for a very long time. However, do you know of a LoRa network with as much area coverage as Helium...?

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Post by TameAntelope »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #392
TameAntelope wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you're doing now is victim blaming. There are a million things that can and often do go wrong already with our criminal justice system, but it does function, more or less, as a way of arriving at a just conclusion; your suggestion that we throw all of that out is, literally, barbaric. I can't believe I have to say this, but society is worse off without laws and a just mechanism by which to enforce them.

your suggestion that we throw all of that out is, literally, barbaric. Sounds like you're arguing with someone who doesn't actually exist. If this happens frequently, it might be a good idea to talk about it with someone who is there for you.

I'm arguing against what you wrote. If you didn't understand what you wrote, that's on you, not me.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Post by CamperBob2 »

TameAntelope wrote: post #396
CamperBob2 wrote: post #392

Earlier quoted context omitted.

your suggestion that we throw all of that out is, literally, barbaric. Sounds like you're arguing with someone who doesn't actually exist. If this happens frequently, it might be a good idea to talk about it with someone who is there for you.

I'm arguing against what you wrote. If you didn't understand what you wrote, that's on you, not me.

Then you'll have no trouble quoting my exact words suggesting that we "throw all of that out." Right?

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Post by TameAntelope »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #397
TameAntelope wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm arguing against what you wrote. If you didn't understand what you wrote, that's on you, not me.

Then you'll have no trouble quoting my exact words suggesting that we "throw all of that out." Right?

> Violent reactions are really the only deterrent left to keep thieves at bay.

Yes, it was quite easy to quote where you said, "Throw out existing laws, revert to what is literally the definition of barbarism."

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Post by eternityforest »

dylan604 wrote: post #307
eternityforest wrote: post #293

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They shouldn't be doing it for free, someone else should have an open tracking service.

And how is that going to be funded?

Donations and hardware sales.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Post by eternityforest »

dole wrote: post #322
eternityforest wrote: post #291

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Tile is amazing. But all this AirTag stuff has me worried stalkers will switch to Tile, and then Tile will get ruined the same way. I wish we had a fully open alternative with the same global tracking network.

Considering Tile's new owners, Life360, aren't above selling subscriber information, they're kind of already ruined. https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/9/22820381/tile-life360-loc...

I mean, I never had any expectation of any privacy at all from tile to begin with, so I'm Not sure I'd say it's ruined.

It's commercial proprietary tech, I definitely wouldn't be using it if I considered my location history sensitive data.

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