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"Here is a dev good enough to get through your screens and panels, they will be keeping their actual job, but will make enough appearances to pull the secondary salary for whatever period time you need before your team is required to lose someone to attrition"
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The devils advocate answer: Statistically, some of your employees probably aren’t good enough to be worth employing. But managers are human, hard conversations are hard, there are lots of incentives to not manage those people out. By having an attrition target and forcing people to cut the bottom 10%, you basically skip over the soft fuzzy human factors keeping people around, and instead fall back to the statistical…
There is no reason to believe that the lowest 10% performers are the same as the 10% put on PIP/forced attrition.
For a company that's vaunted for it's long-view philosophy, it's a terribly short-sighted policy.
Is it really so dysfunctional there that if this happens to you (manager puts you on PIP upon being notified you're doing an internal transfer) there's no one to talk to to make this right? Maybe his manager is a piece of shit, but I can't believe there's no one to report to above him that can see this for what it is and make it right?
The issue with Amazon is that due to its size, working on a team is essentially like working for a separate company. If you are moving across big orgs, you are just a blip in the system should something like this come up. And just like a group of startups, some are going to be run worse than others. Additionally, because of the internal transfer policy and teams frequently switching out members, a lot of work is desi…
This comment killed me : Will Ye Will Ye Engineering @ Cohere (cohere.io) 5mo Back when I worked at Amazon as a software engineer, the CRAZIEST thing happened to me. Here’s the story… I was working from home with my girlfriend (at the time), when suddenly I get an urgent ping from my coworker: “Our service is experiencing a SEV 2! We need all hands on deck!” Uh oh, our team’s application has gone down! However, as I…
As it happens, many years ago I worked for Amazon and encountered a small microwave fire in the break room. I dealt with it myself, but I realized I had no idea what the appropriate way to notify somebody about a fire. I inquired and discovered that in the event of a fire, the correct behavior would have been to return to my desk and file a Sev-2 incident with the Facilities team. This should in theory page someone w…
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> no one's challenged it so presumably it's true Amazon is well known for training employees to defend the company on-line. Aren't you being too generous with an anonymous comment that you provide no link to? Is not possible that is just Amazon propaganda?
https://www.teamblind.com/post/The-guy-got-PIPed-VBvKiiXu 90% of the point of blind is to shit on your own company anonymously (at least, that's what I use it for). I find it hard to believe that it's false, given that probably hundreds of amazon employees have seen that post and no one's refuted it. If Amazon is astroturfing blind, they're doing a spectacularly bad job at it, the general consensus (from Amazon emplo…
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What's the justification for an attrition target? It seems such a weird thing to want your staff to leave.
The devils advocate answer: Statistically, some of your employees probably aren’t good enough to be worth employing. But managers are human, hard conversations are hard, there are lots of incentives to not manage those people out. By having an attrition target and forcing people to cut the bottom 10%, you basically skip over the soft fuzzy human factors keeping people around, and instead fall back to the statistical…
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Let's assume that it's 100% true. This guy is young and it'd be better for him to delete this. I'm totally going to cyberstalk this guy to see where he goes. My number one rule is not to sh*t on former companies with my main account.
> I'm totally going to cyberstalk this guy to see where he goes. That is a felony in many places in the world. Companies do this kind of harassing, thou. That is one of the reasons that companies need to be taxed way more and use that money to assure that people that lose their jobs can still live a decent life. There only way citizens well have freedom of speech is if they are not at the mercy of corporations.
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It would be the top range (if at all possible) for a developer working as a permanent employee. Usually the only way to make this kind of money is to go self-employed
Heh, as a salaried dev who gets 1700 - 1800 Euros per month (so around 90 Euros per day) after taxes in Latvia, some of the numbers in this thread are pretty sobering, even if you take the costs of being self employed or taxes into account. If you take the run of the mill Java dev salary here, the net value is somewhere between 900 - 3000 Euros or so, across all levels of seniority [1]. Really makes one consider the…
Take Ireland for example. You're not going to be making US level money but I'd say you could easily double what you're making now and there's the potential to go much higher than that.
Some people meet this with a healthy level of scepticism, which is great. However I used to work at Amazon, working on the performance evaluation and HR tools used within the company. It was a couple of years back, but I am fairly certain that the same tools are still used, given that all of them were developed from scratch. At the time it was in line with the company's PR of removing its toxic work culture. It's wor…
Some people meet this with a healthy level of scepticism, which is great. However I used to work at Amazon, working on the performance evaluation and HR tools used within the company. It was a couple of years back, but I am fairly certain that the same tools are still used, given that all of them were developed from scratch. At the time it was in line with the company's PR of removing its toxic work culture. It's wor…
Why are people who do this never named? They should be named. This type of behavior perpetuates because despite this employee revealing a company issue.. the individual perpetrator can still hide behind anonymity. CALL these ass holes out.
Stop with the needless hate. We are talking about people in the top 8% of the income bracket in US. Not a single engineer in Amazon that has or is getting PIPed is losing their livelihood. If you have Amazon on your resume, no matter what, you will have no issues finding another job, because the acceptance rate by itself to Amazon is The biggest drawback of something like this is maybe having to wait an extra few mon…
Firing people and putting them on PIP is just a game because amazon is such a great company to have on your resume? It's just a game because his livelihood is not effected?
What universe do you live in?
Let me tell you about how the world works. If you fire people for trying to transfer teams. If you lie and make up stories about performance because someone tried to transfer teams. You're an ass hole through and through. No one is being hated here. Just being called out, and people are expressing their extreme dislike for such behavior.
I can't believe you called it a game. This must be how ass hole managers justify their actions to themselves. It's like a bully in school calling it all a game because the person being bullied still has parents that feed him. Let's be real. It's not a game. Not. at. all.