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Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Lies. Don’t you all see it? Facebook has been declining over the past year and this is a convenient way to blame someone - anyone. Let’s face it, what are your friends all using now? That’s right - video - YouTube and TikTok. Facebook had no answer for video and thus lost a lot of eyeballs. Instagram is a poor clone of TikTok and most people just repost their popular TikTok videos on Instagram reels anyway - hardly a…

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Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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This is double bullshit: 1. All Apple did was giving users a choice (and they should've done that ages ago). If users didn't mind being tracked, or liked the "more relevant adverts" tracking provides, they would not have opted out. 2. Google is subject to exactly the same rules as Facebook is. Their apps have to ask for permission to track as Facebook's do, and Safari (which enforces privacy in many ways, too) is the…

Google doesn't really have apps though. Their users see ads through the browser and so, from what I understand, are unaffected by the change.

Not counting gmail, calendar, or the docs/drive suite, Google has >12 applications on the app store. Apple's "search" is pretty crappy WRT seeing what a dev has released (or at least the Google LLC "dev"), hence the range.

And ads definitely show up in YouTube and such.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Out of curiosity, why can’t you just make the ad point to a custom URL (on which you can then set a cookie if you wanted) and do attribution that way?

That is almost exactly what UTM url parameters are [0]. We use these and via them our other tracking collaborates our theory on Facebooks tracking. There is actually a real problem with tracking via cookies on Facebook ads when the destination is a website. The ad click will open in a Facebook "In App Browser", any cookie that you (or any analytical service) sets will be within that IAB. If the user then uses the "op…

This is interesting. Are you saying because some user switch to safari during checkout and tracking lost here? Since cookie will be cleared. But how about these special query param as you mentioned? That still can be maintained for tracking?

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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If this isn't a lie and Apple flipping that switch cost Facebook $10bn, then that tells me my personal information is worth a lot. What I was getting from Facebook in exchange for my data was too little. I use Google a lot more than Facebook and frankly what I get from them in exchange for my data is probably also way too little. I wish there was some type of consumer union where we could negotiate with these compani…

It's not perfect but you can look at average revenue per user on Facebook. There are huge differences based on the country (note this is quarterly): Q4 '20 Worldwide: 10.14 US: 53.56 Europe: 16.87 Asia Pacific: 4.05 Rest of world: 2.77 So you're worth just over $200 a year. This has gone up a lot over time and is considerably higher than other social networks. Just a year ago, it was 41.41 (23% less) and a year befor…

Why are you assuming that the parent commenter is in the US?

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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I believe that most people live relatively uneventful lives, and truly believe that they have nothing to hide from anyone, and resultantly do not value their own privacy whatsoever. The loss of privacy from surveillance capitalism does not bother them at all, and practically it is all upside, because they lost nothing of value to themselves. It does not enter their minds that mass abandonment of privacy means that it…

The best comeback I've heard to that sentiment is, "would you like a camera in your bathroom?". And then the other night I was talking to my aunt and she mentioned that she has an Alexa in the bathroom so she can listen to music and I realized it might not be as good a retort as I thought.

A better retort might be: "Do you want your health insurance premiums to be set based on which recipes you Google?" This one has the advantage of having a material impact and being almost-real[1].

[1] https://www.coverage.com/insurance/status-update-your-social...

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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This is double bullshit: 1. All Apple did was giving users a choice (and they should've done that ages ago). If users didn't mind being tracked, or liked the "more relevant adverts" tracking provides, they would not have opted out. 2. Google is subject to exactly the same rules as Facebook is. Their apps have to ask for permission to track as Facebook's do, and Safari (which enforces privacy in many ways, too) is the…

Google doesn't really have apps though. Their users see ads through the browser and so, from what I understand, are unaffected by the change.

Google doesn't really have apps though

Google has 17 apps for Apple devices.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-one/id1451784328

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/screenwise-meter/id1455562397

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google/id284815942

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/notable-women-ar/id1425071635

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/just-a-line-draw-in-ar/id13672...

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-tasks-get-things-done/i...

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/looker-mobile/id1533498070

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-podcasts/id1398000105

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-stadia/id1471900213

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-fit-activity-tracker/id...

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-fi/id1413936031

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/grasshopper-learn-to-code/id13...

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/youtube-music/id1017492454

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-keep-notes-and-lists/id...

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-maps/id585027354

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/youtube-tv/id1193350206

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/youtube-kids/id936971630

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/youtube-watch-listen-stream/id...

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Lies. Don’t you all see it? Facebook has been declining over the past year and this is a convenient way to blame someone - anyone. Let’s face it, what are your friends all using now? That’s right - video - YouTube and TikTok. Facebook had no answer for video and thus lost a lot of eyeballs. Instagram is a poor clone of TikTok and most people just repost their popular TikTok videos on Instagram reels anyway - hardly a…

If this isn't a lie and Apple flipping that switch cost Facebook $10bn, then that tells me my personal information is worth a lot. What I was getting from Facebook in exchange for my data was too little. I use Google a lot more than Facebook and frankly what I get from them in exchange for my data is probably also way too little. I wish there was some type of consumer union where we could negotiate with these compani…

Not a lie at all. Apple is as dirty as they come.

Apple is a cartel and Google pays the protection money that Facebook failed to. If Apple really cared about privacy and not money, they'd block Google from the platform too.

A single policy changed wiped 25% of a trillion dollar company's market cap. That's a gravitational wave that shows what kind of overwhelming monopoly power Apple wields.

To be clear, I hate Facebook and ads, but Apple is an incredibly dirty business and is doing massive amounts of harm to startups and our industry as a whole.

Apple owns "America's computer" (50+% of average American's internet usage), and they control it like a dictatorship. High taxes, close inspection of every deploy, arbitrary rulings, forced use of Apple platform pieces, no possible business relationships with your customers.

The DOJ needs to step in and remove the App Store monopoly, its tax, and its arbitrary rules. When you run a device this pervasive and entrenched, it's no longer a platform. It's a common carrier. App installs need to happen over web, where they'd still be just as safely sandboxed, monitored, and remote killswitchable.

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There is no democracy other than direct democracy. If you cant fire your government this afternoon, they own you, not the other way around.

That's not how direct democracy works.

If we assume that Switzerland is probably closest to the ideal of a direct democracy please take note that voters can not directly vote for the executive government (The Bundesrat, or federal council).

They elect members of the two houses, which in turn elects the 7 executives. Usually this is based on the recommendation by the parties and with a specific formula considering party, language and area of the country.

We also can't fire government members this afternoon. It's just like everywhere else. We can just not re-elect them.

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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Google doesn't really have apps though. Their users see ads through the browser and so, from what I understand, are unaffected by the change.

Not counting gmail, calendar, or the docs/drive suite, Google has >12 applications on the app store. Apple's "search" is pretty crappy WRT seeing what a dev has released (or at least the Google LLC "dev"), hence the range. And ads definitely show up in YouTube and such.

Apple's "search" is pretty crappy WRT seeing what a dev has released

Click on the dev's name and it shows everything that dev has published.

https://apps.apple.com/us/developer/google-llc/id281956209

Re: Apple's privacy push cost Meta $10B

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That’s true, but I’d guess that there are a lot of users that exclusively use the iOS app.

Among my peers where I've observed how they use FB, I think it's an even split. For me, if there's a web site, I skip installing the app. And of course a majority of news and social and commerce web sites now prompt you to install the app.

Many don’t just prompt you to install an app, they borderline force you. Reddit is guilty of this, as is Instagram and TikTok.

Presumably this is because they can gather much more data via a mobile app.

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