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I've read this before, it's likely not by "Will Ye Will Ye" ;)

> —— > I now work at Cohere (cohere.io)! Give it a spin Recruiter/spammer

Author here.

I’m a software engineer who likes to have fun on LinkedIn, not a recruiter/spammer. And yes, I was actually an SDE at Amazon!

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Does anyone have any insight into what the culture for Product Managers in AWS is? Currently interviewing with them, and it’s impossible to determine the culture from their interview process. For example, I asked how large the team was, and the interviewer responded that he couldn’t tell me that information.

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This echoed so much what my girlfriend is experiencing at Amazon (London) that it is scary. She was not put on pip but one of her co-worker was last week. According to her the guy is competent and hard working. Everything about the toxic culture, the (unpaid) on call every 4 weeks, management doesn't care about estimations they just set you impossible deadlines, lots of turnover in the team, custom, unstable not docu…

I remember first reading about this a few years back. I was getting recruiters in my inbox wondering if they can poach me to AWS. Back then I thought Amazon was just like the other FAANG companies, but to be safe I searched `r/CSCareerQuestions` on Reddit and found stories similar to this one.

Never replied to those recruiters, and honestly at this point I try to stay away from FAANG's in general, they have the cash and prestige but I'm sure it's like any other F500 once you're working there. I don't need the stress of being a cog in someones megamachine.

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What's the justification for an attrition target? It seems such a weird thing to want your staff to leave.

If you have a hand of cards you want to optimize it makes sense to keep discarding and redrawing your worst cards. At the beginning your worst cards are probably below average, so any new replacement is statistically likely to be better. But even when you reach the point where all your cards are above average it can make sense to keep redrawing a small percentage, since that's the only way to get more aces. Of course…

I kind of see that, but it completely ignores the cost of hiring (financial and in lost productivity in the team that has to onboard the new hire) and the loss of knowledge and experience from firing as well.

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Does anyone have any insight into what the culture for Product Managers in AWS is? Currently interviewing with them, and it’s impossible to determine the culture from their interview process. For example, I asked how large the team was, and the interviewer responded that he couldn’t tell me that information.

I've been on the phone with a whole fleet of Product Managers (on the Alexa side) and they all seemed very overworked (jumping to multiple meetings within the same 30 minutes).

This is all anecdotal of course, but my experience in working closely with the Smart Home side of Amazon makes me not want to work at Amazon.

If you're a workaholic, you'll do well. If you aren't, you'll hate it.

Again, just one guys POV.

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How it started - https://i.imgur.com/7Cyia1U.jpeg How it is going - https://archive.fo/pdYHy#selection-525.105-525.423

> if I submited 51k lines of code in January and my whole team submitted 68k, do not call me a "Least Effective".

Hmm, I think I've known this type of fuckabout whose massive submissions totally screw any hope of team cohesiveness and trust. Ok, slugger you can write shitloads of lines of code. Is it any good? Why would I want that much code when a factor of 10 less is more manageable?

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Don’t sweat it; it might be healthy. I have made it a feature of my life that I don’t actually care about work and will not be changing it. It turned out that I’d spent at least 20 years being tricked into caring for things which ultimately someone else leveraged most of the benefit for with measly returns by proportion on that investment of time back to me. Never a thank you, always difficult to extract any entitlem…

But your life is spent at work, so if you don't care, your life is spent doing something you don't care about.

Next time around I'll be sure to get born wealthy so I don't have to worry about it. But it's incredibly privileged to be able to do the sort of work we do compared to standing in a factory production line or working away from family. I enjoy my work, but I know if the company fails it's not my fault and I will be working somewhere else tomorrow.

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This comment killed me : Will Ye Will Ye Engineering @ Cohere (cohere.io) 5mo Back when I worked at Amazon as a software engineer, the CRAZIEST thing happened to me. Here’s the story… I was working from home with my girlfriend (at the time), when suddenly I get an urgent ping from my coworker: “Our service is experiencing a SEV 2! We need all hands on deck!” Uh oh, our team’s application has gone down! However, as I…

> “Customer Obsession”. There are customers who depend on my team’s application — I can’t let them down! That is also: - Success and Scale Bring Broad Responsibility (We must begin each day with a determination to make better, do better, and be better for our customers) - Deliver Results (Despite setbacks, they rise to the occasion and never settle) - Bias for Action (We value calculated risk taking) - Think Big (The…

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A side effect of working for asshole companies like that for years is I’ve slowly developed a zero fucks attitude and an immunity to threats and carrots dangled in front of me. I can sit there as a project is falling over the edge of a cliff with total inner peace. My interest stops at the pay cheque and by the clock.

> My interest stops at the pay cheque and by the clock. That's why a PIP puts said pay checque on the line though.

Never dealt with PIP, but anyone worthwhile will just quit and get a lateral or better job. That's what I did when one of my employers extended the mandatory 6 month probationary period because she just wasn't sure about me.

I don't need that stress. I just hopped over to another company, cut my commute, and made about 20% more salary.

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