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A side effect of working for asshole companies like that for years is I’ve slowly developed a zero fucks attitude and an immunity to threats and carrots dangled in front of me. I can sit there as a project is falling over the edge of a cliff with total inner peace. My interest stops at the pay cheque and by the clock.

> I can sit there as a project is falling over the edge of a cliff with total inner peace. This is what I'm (slowly) learning as well, even though I'm not entirely sure I want to. Working on projects where you care but almost nobody else does does that to you, but I'm afraid I won't be able to make it back to a position where I can care for projects.

I think it's healthy to not care about something you have no real stake in. But you can compensate for that condition in a day job with hobbies or pets or friends or generally something to care about outside of work. I personally do a number of regular social things outside work as well as occasionally writing and producing music on a purely amateur basis, where the only reason to do them is _because_ I care.

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Kind of OT: is it just me or the archive.TLD domains aren't working sometimes? I can't reach the websites, but sometimes they work

Who you using for DNS? iirc archive.today had a falling out with Cloudflare DNS because of a way they passed the requests onto archive.today so they stopped answering requests from Cloudflare DNS.

EDIT: See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28495204 for more info and https://community.cloudflare.com/t/archive-today-does-not-re... from a few years ago. They may of "made up" since, but I've not been using CF for DNS for a while now.

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post #115

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It's possible (although maybe not likely) that this guy really _did_ deserve to be put on PIP, and the team transfer request is completely incidental. Unless we can know for sure, or at least from a less biased source, we probably shouldn't doxx the manager?

Yeah that's true. We really need some service like blind where people can anonymously review and score managers. We need votes to prove that a manager is an ass hole. One anecdotal story isn't enough. Maybe the service leaves the manager anonymous until the review amount crosses a certain threshold... 3 to 4 guys calling him out? Submit this to ycombinator!

> We really need some service like blind where people can anonymously review and score managers

Wouldn’t managers just make a service where they review and score engineers too?

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The second post in your second link is shocking too: > One night, when I was a dev manager at Amazon, another dev manager in Seattle sent me a 20-page design document at 11:30 pm and told me that he wanted me to get him feedback by 5:30 am the next day. How fucking rude is that? It’s indicative of an absolutely staggering level of toxicity. Honestly, what a waste. Imagine how much better Amazon could be if they didn’…

And I wouldn't be surprised if that Seattle dev manager got pressured from above themselves. But at some point, someone has to set boundaries. If that manager then got pissy about it not being finished, there's a few lines to be used. One is "I was asleep". Another is "Night shifts and overtime are not in my contract", or "I do not get paid enough to do night shifts". And another one, "A lack of planning on your part…

It’s not so deep. Possibly the manager needed that feedback and forgot until the last moment and doesn’t care how the employee can fulfill it.

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post #141

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Is it really? Seems an unnecessarily stressful way to get experience. I kinda agree with the OP, I would have a lot of trust issues with management if they pulled this shit on me.

I'm convinced human beings are naturally designed to operate at 120% for 6-12 week long periods. \ Hunter gatherer survivalist genes just kick in. YMMV, but I consider it a healthy thing for, at least for some part of your career, to work "Amazon hard." Aka, all the reasons that people list when they say you should really try working for a startup. When you push yourself to your limits at your profession, a lot of st…

It is stupid to work that hard on making a rich asshole even richer.

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post #139

This comment killed me : Will Ye Will Ye Engineering @ Cohere (cohere.io) 5mo Back when I worked at Amazon as a software engineer, the CRAZIEST thing happened to me. Here’s the story… I was working from home with my girlfriend (at the time), when suddenly I get an urgent ping from my coworker: “Our service is experiencing a SEV 2! We need all hands on deck!” Uh oh, our team’s application has gone down! However, as I…

>taught me lessons I’ll never forget.

Don't date women that are easily confused with Bezos in drag?

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post #188

I’ve worked at Amazon. I made it a few years, but was almost pipped in the first few months. Management dropped a huge project on me, a brand new tier 1 service, with full dns resolution, api, database, distributed system, along with micro services. The deadline was three months. Brand new tech stack. When I was struggling to meet the deadline, we started having “performance conversations”. I ended up switching teams…

A side effect of working for asshole companies like that for years is I’ve slowly developed a zero fucks attitude and an immunity to threats and carrots dangled in front of me. I can sit there as a project is falling over the edge of a cliff with total inner peace. My interest stops at the pay cheque and by the clock.

Same, I couldn't give two damns if the project fails and burns.

I try to be professional, hard working and I even do some unpaid overtime when deadlines are strict.

But the moment you pressure and stress me to do more it's the moment I say no and all my commitment goes away.

I'm not here to clean up poor management, project planning and low budget.

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Kind of OT: is it just me or the archive.TLD domains aren't working sometimes? I can't reach the websites, but sometimes they work

Who you using for DNS? iirc archive.today had a falling out with Cloudflare DNS because of a way they passed the requests onto archive.today so they stopped answering requests from Cloudflare DNS. EDIT: See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28495204 for more info and https://community.cloudflare.com/t/archive-today-does-not-re... from a few years ago. They may of "made up" since, but I've not been using CF for DNS…

Oh yes, that's it. It seems like Google DNS is blocking it too for some reason: https://dnschecker.org/#A/archive.fo

Weird. I have now switched to my provider's DNS to overcome the issue :)

Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

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I’ve worked at Amazon. I made it a few years, but was almost pipped in the first few months. Management dropped a huge project on me, a brand new tier 1 service, with full dns resolution, api, database, distributed system, along with micro services. The deadline was three months. Brand new tech stack. When I was struggling to meet the deadline, we started having “performance conversations”. I ended up switching teams…

> You are replaceable and there’s no mercy

I don’t understand this though? Eventually someone’s head needs to roll. If you fail your project and get fired, how is your manager immune from consequence? They failed too (probably more).

Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

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The pip quota is a HUGE perverse incentive here. Choosing someone to put on pip is hard because it is in manager's best interest to protect their core team from pip.

So if someone is too good for your team, you put them on pip. They are going to leave anyway, so putting them on pip does the least damage to your team.

The other pathological result is hiring dummies just to put them on pip, again protecting the core team from it.

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