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How we broke the supply chain

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Re: How we broke the supply chain

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What’s the moral framework here? Globalization, financialization, and deregulation got you all this good cheap stuff to buy in the first place. If you’re a de—growth proponent it should never have been available. The supply chain crisis is one of the best things that’s ever happened. But if you think it’s actually bad, what’s the argument here? It would be better to have always lived as if in the jaws of a disaster,…

That's the weird part. The argument seems to be that any temporal failure of a system means we need to change the system wholesale. There is no argument for why a different system would be better, merely the belief that the current system has flaws, therefore... This part confused me: > bad public policy coupled with decades of corporate greed. The article mentions a cascading set of changes that move from minor inco…

> but has instead produced slightly less than huge choice variety at some moments in time. I'm not sold that's a disaster.

Yeah, the ship has a hole which visibly widens, but we are not underwater yet, so that's not a disaster.

Re: How we broke the supply chain

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I'm just going to point out that this is the world's second period of globalisation and we are maybe seeing the second collapse. The first period was roughly from 1870 to 1914 and was brought to its end by the shock of the first world war and the following flu pandemic which, as well as directly killing lots of people, also led to mass restrictions on travel and the breakdown of the supply chain in large portions of…

Given that through the entire pandemic I've been buying a steady stream of products from all over the world with only the briefest of delays in service...I don't see it. The supply chain disruption has been US and UK specific, and has very obvious causes specific to those countries - no one else is really having issues.

I share your sentiment that the supply chain crisis seems somewhat exaggerated by media, however for some specific merchandise it exists. For example, it's been 9 months since I ordered a new mountain bike and it still hasn't arrived. Similar situation with new cars and motorcycles (0 stock, at least 3-6 months lead time). However, it doesn't seem plausible to me that parts shortages are due to decreased production from China. If the (Google/World bank) GDP graph is to be trusted, China's GDP only slowed down its growth rate, but never went down during the crisis (contrary to the US). So to me it looks like the supply chain crisis in the west was somewhat manufactured (even though I don't know by whom and for what reason).

Re: How we broke the supply chain

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I'm just going to point out that this is the world's second period of globalisation and we are maybe seeing the second collapse. The first period was roughly from 1870 to 1914 and was brought to its end by the shock of the first world war and the following flu pandemic which, as well as directly killing lots of people, also led to mass restrictions on travel and the breakdown of the supply chain in large portions of…

> The question becomes, how can we avoid a 21st century equivalent to the inter war years and their culminating horrors if we are seeing a collapse of the second age of globalisation?

I'm afraid we are past that stage and at the edge of World War 3:

- China is literally following Hitler's footsteps in eradicating Uyghur and Tibetan civilization and people, while saber-rattling to invade Taiwan, the world's most important semiconductor manufacturer. Their economic growth rate is being threatened, not just by the COVID consequences but also by other countries undercutting China on labor costs - which in turn threatens the CCP government as the informal deal of exchanging civil liberties with economic properties is breaking apart, and it doesn't help that under the regime of Xi Jinping the allowed ways of expressing discontent have been met with more and more repression.

- Russia is waging a disinformation and propaganda war against Europe and the US, with the clear goal of driving wedges into our societies. At the same time, the Russian economy is mostly built on oil and gas exports, both of which are threatened - the world is growing less reliant on oil, and Europe is all but forced to diversify its sources for gas. It is realistic that either Putin himself or whoever is going to win the succession fight when he dies (at least openly, Putin has not made any succession plans or named/groomed a candidate) will use the old and tried method of rallying a disgruntled population behind the war against a "common enemy" or a "national worthy cause" (i.e. taking back Ukraine).

- There will be yet-unseen waves of global mass migration caused by climate change and wars in Africa and by poverty and total government collapse in South America, and right now both the US and Europe stick their heads into the sand and build fortresses instead of thinking up a sustainable way on how to deal with a problem that is only growing to get bigger.

- the entire Arabian area is a clusterfuck, even if the Palestine-Israel conflict has been reduced in importance as Israel made formal or informal deals with many of its neighbors. Iran is still developing a nuclear bomb, Turkey's wannabe-dictator Erdogan is struggling against economic depression and political discontent while still aiming to be a regional superpower, the oil sheik countries face (like Russia) the decline of oil money that has historically been used for decades to placate a population wanting democracy or at least basic human rights, and the remnants of the IS are still more than capable to cause serious trouble. Additionally, the US and Israel are constantly running air strikes on terrorists and political enemies (e.g. the Soleimani case), and Iran is engaging in terrorist activities itself.

- speaking of nuclear bombs, no one including China has any idea what to do with North Korea, whose rockets and other arms are clearly capable of devastating destruction. Kim Jong-Un is likely in bad health and people including relatives of questionable loyalty have been purged, while Kim's own children are way too young to assume power.

- globally, the aftermath of COVID and the demands that combatting climate change will cause on societies are going to be yet another destabilizing force, threatening the stability of many societies.

Geopolitically, there are so many areas of tension and conflict that it is almost guaranteed to have major conflict break out in the next two decades. Remember, World War 1 was caused by a terrorist attack of a bunch of pretty much irrelevant Serbian nationalists.

Re: How we broke the supply chain

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Given that through the entire pandemic I've been buying a steady stream of products from all over the world with only the briefest of delays in service...I don't see it. The supply chain disruption has been US and UK specific, and has very obvious causes specific to those countries - no one else is really having issues.

I share your sentiment that the supply chain crisis seems somewhat exaggerated by media, however for some specific merchandise it exists. For example, it's been 9 months since I ordered a new mountain bike and it still hasn't arrived. Similar situation with new cars and motorcycles (0 stock, at least 3-6 months lead time). However, it doesn't seem plausible to me that parts shortages are due to decreased production f…

https://www.bridgewater.com/its-mostly-a-demand-shock-not-a-...

Some good data here.

Re: How we broke the supply chain

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I'm just going to point out that this is the world's second period of globalisation and we are maybe seeing the second collapse. The first period was roughly from 1870 to 1914 and was brought to its end by the shock of the first world war and the following flu pandemic which, as well as directly killing lots of people, also led to mass restrictions on travel and the breakdown of the supply chain in large portions of…

> He could secure forthwith, if he wished it, cheap and comfortable means of transit to any country or climate without passport or other formality.

What? No TSA? No stripping at airports? And allowed to bring your own liquids on airplanes?

What horribly primitive times those must have been.

Re: How we broke the supply chain

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please do provide some explanation if you have any. I find it amazing that people have said from the beginning the money printer will cause inflation. When it finally arrives it was "transitory" and now, lo and behold, it's a great concern of the Fed. I still think it was the money printing. People are not scrambling to buy iPhones and factories can't keep up. Everything is more expensive!

As mentioned in the comment you're replying to, check the expansion of the money supply after 2008, and check the inflation since; check how long it took to get anywhere near 2%. For shits and giggles, check out the predictions of the same people you're listening to now, then.

I'm not listening to anybody. I've been talking about the pending inflation every since the US went overdrive with money printing and started handing you money to the entire working population. Maybe I guessed it by mistake but I don't buy that the two (money printing and inflation) somehow overlapped.

Again, if it were a supply issue you would see it in niches. We have inflation on energy, food, everything. The supply and demand for energy and food is about the same. There was no shock there.

Re: How we broke the supply chain

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the weird part. The argument seems to be that any temporal failure of a system means we need to change the system wholesale. There is no argument for why a different system would be better, merely the belief that the current system has flaws, therefore... This part confused me: > bad public policy coupled with decades of corporate greed. The article mentions a cascading set of changes that move from minor inco…

> but has instead produced slightly less than huge choice variety at some moments in time. I'm not sold that's a disaster. Yeah, the ship has a hole which visibly widens, but we are not underwater yet, so that's not a disaster.

That's a metaphor that could be applied to literally anything.

What point about reality is it making?

Are people standing in line for toilet paper or bread?

Re: How we broke the supply chain

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post #92
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that through the entire pandemic I've been buying a steady stream of products from all over the world with only the briefest of delays in service...I don't see it. The supply chain disruption has been US and UK specific, and has very obvious causes specific to those countries - no one else is really having issues.

I share your sentiment that the supply chain crisis seems somewhat exaggerated by media, however for some specific merchandise it exists. For example, it's been 9 months since I ordered a new mountain bike and it still hasn't arrived. Similar situation with new cars and motorcycles (0 stock, at least 3-6 months lead time). However, it doesn't seem plausible to me that parts shortages are due to decreased production f…

It's not just parts (in fact I saw a claim in /r/cycling that the warehouses have plenty of stock), it's also shipping those parts to distributors/bike builders that's an issue. Plenty of stories about how the ports are absolutely backed up.

Re: How we broke the supply chain

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> Only deviating from free-market fundamentalism—giving everyone health care, for example—could lead to shortages This is true, the symptoms the article is looking at are strong signals of non-free-market policies. Under capitalism, the failure mode is going to be very high prices. If the failure mode isn't high prices then the market probably isn't being run as a free market. Like when there is a crisis and the gove…

>which, I think we all agree, would have been high prices to the point where there was still bread on the shelf that people could buy

I don't think I agree. The outcome might have been riots and people grabbing the bread and wrecking the store.

There's a vagueness to "laissez faire" - who are you letting do what?

Re: How we broke the supply chain

#100
post #89

I'm just going to point out that this is the world's second period of globalisation and we are maybe seeing the second collapse. The first period was roughly from 1870 to 1914 and was brought to its end by the shock of the first world war and the following flu pandemic which, as well as directly killing lots of people, also led to mass restrictions on travel and the breakdown of the supply chain in large portions of…

Given that through the entire pandemic I've been buying a steady stream of products from all over the world with only the briefest of delays in service...I don't see it. The supply chain disruption has been US and UK specific, and has very obvious causes specific to those countries - no one else is really having issues.

In South Africa we've seen _some_ disruption too, but the immediate effects have been limited from a consumer perspective.

What I find most impressive is how resilient the overall system is in spite of the many disruptions.

I recently read a book (by Mark O'Connell) about how some groups predicted ever-imminent apocalypse and social collapse. The book was released shortly before the pandemic and tellingly one of the themes presented (not as the author's view, but as a view in some prepper communities) was that a global pandemic would lead a total collapse of the supply chain and then we would become feral and play out Mad Max etc.

While global supply chain issues have led to some shortages (some more serious than others and some more protracted than others) there is so much that is still working. That's something to celebrate IMHO.

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