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Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

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Post by deltaonefour »

MattGaiser wrote: post #56
deltaonefour wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There should be a way to name these people anonymously. Maybe drop the ass holes name on blind or make a "shitbosses.com" where we name these jackasses and vote. Heck I'll stand behind my words. If you ever apply to a company called Anduril. Watch out for a childish manager named Calvin Hareng. This MF: https://www.zoominfo.com/p/Calvin-Hareng/-1964480350 Anduril is hiring and if you're coming on board watch out if h…

We could create a developer filibuster. Create lists of terrible teams and tell people that they are good for interview practice, but little else.

All we want is change in the industry. This is enough for that I believe. Your name on the internet, your employees calling you out (anonymously). It's social proof. That effects your awareness and also your future job opportunities.

Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

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Post by deltaonefour »

MattGaiser wrote: post #57
deltaonefour wrote: post #13

Why are people who do this never named? They should be named. This type of behavior perpetuates because despite this employee revealing a company issue.. the individual perpetrator can still hide behind anonymity. CALL these ass holes out.

See comments like these. Even this post is too much for some people. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30204121

There are a lot of ass holes in the world. Not saying the post you linked to is an ass hole... but Ass holes do tend to empathize with other ass holes. I think the majority of people don't see it in the same light.

Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

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Post by zeckalpha »

yrral wrote: post #8

Is it really so dysfunctional there that if this happens to you (manager puts you on PIP upon being notified you're doing an internal transfer) there's no one to talk to to make this right? Maybe his manager is a piece of shit, but I can't believe there's no one to report to above him that can see this for what it is and make it right?

Yes, there was an exemption process for this while I was there. (Though it wasn’t called PIP)

Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

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Post by larschdk »

trhway wrote: post #9

>I submited 51k lines of code in January that is well beyond real.

If you submit 51k lines of code in a month you are not productive. You are a liability. Producing 5-10 lines of quality code per hour is considered good in my world.

Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

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Post by amelius »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #32
cozzyd wrote: post #28

And I thought this would be another Python package management horror story.

pip needs to be put on a PIP (although to be fair pip and the python package ecosystem has come a long way in the last few years)

Yeah, the message "your version of pip is out of date" doesn't make sense, and no amount of pip install will fix it.

Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

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Post by cerved »

sofixa wrote: post #84
MattGaiser wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would be nuts to treat it as anything other than loading the bullet into the gun that terminates you. All it is is to make sure that the bullet is legal.

I don't get this. From what I've heard, in the US, you don't need an excuse to fire anyone. Why bother documenting an excuse then?

I suspect it's partially a way to protect from lawsuits so it's difficult to file a suit you were fired for idk, your religious views, refusing romantic advances, refused to do something illegal etc. etc.

Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

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Post by udbhavs »

tgv wrote: post #45
slt2021 wrote: post #21

How it started - https://i.imgur.com/7Cyia1U.jpeg How it is going - https://archive.fo/pdYHy#selection-525.105-525.423

That first post, is that the acceptance speech for a Nobel prize?

I'm also curious about that. I'm just starting out in industry and am confused if most people are expected to do that. Do future recruiters go through your old linkedin posts for stuff like this? Or is it just a general update for their personal circle - basically the corporate version of instagram stories.

Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

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Post by deltaonefour »

nickm12 wrote: post #60

I feel for the guy—taking the post at face value, it sounds like he had a shitty team and a shitty manager. At the same time, this post does not make me want to hire him and in fact quite the opposite. He seems to be fairly junior, but even at that level I cringe at measuring ones self in terms of lines of code written (though lines of code deleted is a metric I can get behind).

He's the hero we don't deserve. Nobody wants to hire him because every manager is sort of afraid they themselves are sort of ass holes and will get called out. I think a good number of people who think this are right on themselves being ass holes.

Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

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Post by altacc »

deltaonefour wrote: post #47
slt2021 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

amazon has Leadership Principles (corporate koolaid) that makes deadlines top-down and non-negotiable, otherwise you are deemed as not meeting a bar

What if the deadline is fundamentally impossible? No room for leeway here?

Then either the people given the deadline are being "managed out of the business" or they should be managing their own way out

And yes, I've been a manager in a company where the phrase "managed out of the business" was used. I no longer work there.

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