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Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

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Post by bodge5000 »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #19
treyfitty wrote: post #11

People say that working for Amazon for a year is enough “training” to serve as a resume badge. However, I’d like to provide a counter to that: when I see Amazon on a resume, I actually discount the candidate. In my opinion, the branding has suffered tremendously and I view the candidate as a compensation maximizer beyond all costs- why else would you join Amazon despite the well known horror stories, as well as their…

Um, you realize people need a job to put a shelter over their head and food in their mouth--right? For everyone below vice president Amazon is just a J-O-B to them. It's not their lifestyle, it's not their worldview. You're missing out on an unbelievable amount of good candidates with that view.

I have noticed on HN a weird idea that most programmers are insanely rich and can pick and choose any job they like (I even saw one person say "lets be honest, none of us need a job..."), so I guess they're going by the logic that if you work for them you either endorse their worldview or don't care, which as you say I doubt is true for the majority of us

Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

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Post by MattGaiser »

deltaonefour wrote: post #13

Why are people who do this never named? They should be named. This type of behavior perpetuates because despite this employee revealing a company issue.. the individual perpetrator can still hide behind anonymity. CALL these ass holes out.

The problem is that society doesn’t really stand behind whistleblowers.

We claim to, but at the end of the day want someone else to do the standing behind them while we go back to our lives. And we don’t want whistleblowers around as we fear that we will be their next target. Whistleblowers, in their effort to restore trust, become automatically untrusted by large swaths of society.

Naming makes you persona non grata to a lot of people.

Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

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Post by MattGaiser »

Mandatum wrote: post #15
trhway wrote: post #9

>I submited 51k lines of code in January that is well beyond real.

Who tracks that?

I had a manager who wanted to track it weekly and put it on a dashboard besides dev names.

Thankfully he realized the idea was terrible/other events made it irrelevant, but it was discussed and code written to support doing it.

Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

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Post by dvnguyen »

treyfitty wrote: post #11

People say that working for Amazon for a year is enough “training” to serve as a resume badge. However, I’d like to provide a counter to that: when I see Amazon on a resume, I actually discount the candidate. In my opinion, the branding has suffered tremendously and I view the candidate as a compensation maximizer beyond all costs- why else would you join Amazon despite the well known horror stories, as well as their…

Mind sharing your company name?

Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

#37

Post by deltaonefour »

MattGaiser wrote: post #33
deltaonefour wrote: post #13

Why are people who do this never named? They should be named. This type of behavior perpetuates because despite this employee revealing a company issue.. the individual perpetrator can still hide behind anonymity. CALL these ass holes out.

The problem is that society doesn’t really stand behind whistleblowers. We claim to, but at the end of the day want someone else to do the standing behind them while we go back to our lives. And we don’t want whistleblowers around as we fear that we will be their next target. Whistleblowers, in their effort to restore trust, become automatically untrusted by large swaths of society. Naming makes you persona non grata…

There should be a way to name these people anonymously. Maybe drop the ass holes name on blind or make a "shitbosses.com" where we name these jackasses and vote.

Heck I'll stand behind my words. If you ever apply to a company called Anduril. Watch out for a childish manager named Calvin Hareng. This MF: https://www.zoominfo.com/p/Calvin-Hareng/-1964480350

Anduril is hiring and if you're coming on board watch out if he's going to be your manager. He indeed PIPs you if you try to switch teams, just like this amazonian ass hole.

Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

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Post by operatingthetan »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #19
treyfitty wrote: post #11

People say that working for Amazon for a year is enough “training” to serve as a resume badge. However, I’d like to provide a counter to that: when I see Amazon on a resume, I actually discount the candidate. In my opinion, the branding has suffered tremendously and I view the candidate as a compensation maximizer beyond all costs- why else would you join Amazon despite the well known horror stories, as well as their…

Um, you realize people need a job to put a shelter over their head and food in their mouth--right? For everyone below vice president Amazon is just a J-O-B to them. It's not their lifestyle, it's not their worldview. You're missing out on an unbelievable amount of good candidates with that view.

I probably wouldn't want to work for a manager who filtered out names from their list based on previous employers alone. That seems like petty and self-sabotaging behavior.

Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

#39

Post by MattGaiser »

cabirum wrote: post #16
greatpostman wrote: post #3

I’ve worked at Amazon. I made it a few years, but was almost pipped in the first few months. Management dropped a huge project on me, a brand new tier 1 service, with full dns resolution, api, database, distributed system, along with micro services. The deadline was three months. Brand new tech stack. When I was struggling to meet the deadline, we started having “performance conversations”. I ended up switching teams…

No idea how things work at Amazon, but why did you accept such a tight deadline? Have you provided your own estimates for dev time?

At least everywhere I have worked, deadlines generally come down from on high, often with no real developer input. If you are lucky, your manager will be successful in fighting for more time. If you somewhat lucky, the missed deadline will be ignored. If you are unlucky, the deadline will approach and people will suddenly disappear.

Re: Amazon Pip Horror Story

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Post by [deleted] »

MattGaiser wrote: post #33
deltaonefour wrote: post #13

Why are people who do this never named? They should be named. This type of behavior perpetuates because despite this employee revealing a company issue.. the individual perpetrator can still hide behind anonymity. CALL these ass holes out.

The problem is that society doesn’t really stand behind whistleblowers. We claim to, but at the end of the day want someone else to do the standing behind them while we go back to our lives. And we don’t want whistleblowers around as we fear that we will be their next target. Whistleblowers, in their effort to restore trust, become automatically untrusted by large swaths of society. Naming makes you persona non grata…

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