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Can anyone point to a change or sacrifice they have made because they disagree with Chinas treatment of anyone?
> In quiet, polite voices, Aysu and Lütfullah Kuçar describe the nearly 20 months they spent in state boarding schools in China's western region of Xinjiang, forcibly separated from their family. > Under the watchful gaze of their father, the two ethnically Uyghur children say that their heads were shaved and that class monitors and teachers frequently hit them, locked them in dark rooms and forced them to hold stres…
This kind of forced assimilation can’t be sustainable.
Why not? I mean, it's immoral, but looking at history, forced assimilation has succeeded many times - it's just that it takes a lot of time (century+, certainly more than any individual's lifetime) and when it does, we now think of the assimilated people as an inherent part of the assimilating nation. The currently visible examples are just exceptions, either the ones where it has failed as the "assimilating empire"…
I talked about this recently, and I was reminded of the Blackhawk War. I have read Blackhawk's memoirs, because it's such a part of my community, but nobody knows it. There were extenuating circumstances (the British gun-running down the Mississipi). U.S. forces suffered important defeats (Campbell's Island, and the Battle of Credit Island that humbled future president Zachary Taylor.) I learned from another source t…
> In quiet, polite voices, Aysu and Lütfullah Kuçar describe the nearly 20 months they spent in state boarding schools in China's western region of Xinjiang, forcibly separated from their family. > Under the watchful gaze of their father, the two ethnically Uyghur children say that their heads were shaved and that class monitors and teachers frequently hit them, locked them in dark rooms and forced them to hold stres…
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OP is asking if we're actually willing to personally sacrifice in order to pressure China into not violating human rights. Or if we're all talk and no bite. And it's a fair question. Has anyone here even written to their senator? The only way the leadership of our country (I'm assuming most of us are in the US) is going to impose real sanctions and penalties on China is if we, as a people, vehemently demand it. Perso…
> Has anyone here even written to their senator? Can anyone point to a change or sacrifice a senator has made to their beliefs after receiving a letter? I'm guessing a check would be more persuasive.
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Sovereignty means many things, but one thing specifically: No other realm may decide the fate of these people. China is sovereign, and we must acknowledge that.
> China is sovereign, and we must acknowledge that. What does that mean to you, exactly?
Stalin and Mao agreed in a fateful moment to take a side with the U.S.
The adversaries perished.
We are left to decide amongst and between ourselves what to do.
In the U.S., I believe that all people are created equal.
That is not the universal belief.
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You read about horrible things that happened in the 1800s and your takeaway is... we should allow such things to happen again today? Can you elaborate a little bit?
Can we possibly see ourselves as objective judges when our collective history is essentially, from this historic perspective, butchery? What blessed this generation with a wisdom not seen before? What, precisely?
I talked about this recently, and I was reminded of the Blackhawk War. I have read Blackhawk's memoirs, because it's such a part of my community, but nobody knows it. There were extenuating circumstances (the British gun-running down the Mississipi). U.S. forces suffered important defeats (Campbell's Island, and the Battle of Credit Island that humbled future president Zachary Taylor.) I learned from another source t…
> Are we truly clean to judge? What kind of weird deflection is this? The US having done some horrible stuff in the past (or present) doesn't somehow excuse China doing horrible things too.
Can anyone point to a change or sacrifice they have made because they disagree with Chinas treatment of anyone?
If there is indeed a violation of international treaties, escapees should be able to sue China in Brussels or NYC at the International Criminal Court.
This is the proper way to deal with such issues: by shining a bright light and not engaging in "feel good" actions that will be at best futile, at worst increase anti-Chinese racism.