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Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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I think the cat was out of the bag in a way on this one. Apple put in a good effort to stop abuse but the technology is in people hands now.

They could NOT sell the tech. It's a choice.

It's already being sold by other companies. The cat has been out of the bag for years, you're just being notified. Don't attack the messenger.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Lot of assertions without citations in this thread. HN can do better. If you’ve never had something stolen before, let me flesh out your data point. The police almost never investigate theft of private property—if they do, it’s when there’s serial theft in an area. That’s anywhere in the US, in any year. They’re only there as a notary of sorts for your claim to the insurance company. It’d be cool if police used the s…

Yup, can confirm. Had $20K++ worth of stuff stolen from my shop. Police were there only to take notes, file a report, and send me the report # for the insurance claim. the officer didn't even ask any interesting questions, and offered no hope when I suggested maybe they could check around come likely locations where it might be. He was just acting as a stenographer with a badge. I totally get that they are overwhelme…

20k is grand theft which is a felony. I am surprised they did not take it more seriously.

I had 2000ish dollar bicycle stolen, the police where I live took it very serious because the value. They ended up arresting the guy. They also find dozens of other bicycles that were stolen and in various levels of being parted out from what I was told.

Also note a tracker in a bike can definitely lead to it being recovered.

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Yup, can confirm. Had $20K++ worth of stuff stolen from my shop. Police were there only to take notes, file a report, and send me the report # for the insurance claim. the officer didn't even ask any interesting questions, and offered no hope when I suggested maybe they could check around come likely locations where it might be. He was just acting as a stenographer with a badge. I totally get that they are overwhelme…

20k is grand theft which is a felony. I am surprised they did not take it more seriously. I had 2000ish dollar bicycle stolen, the police where I live took it very serious because the value. They ended up arresting the guy. They also find dozens of other bicycles that were stolen and in various levels of being parted out from what I was told. Also note a tracker in a bike can definitely lead to it being recovered.

Yup, it was an industrial transformer, and a 0-hour racecar motor/transmission setup... no tracking devices on them though...

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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I think the cat was out of the bag in a way on this one. Apple put in a good effort to stop abuse but the technology is in people hands now.

They could NOT sell the tech. It's a choice.

The tech is simple enough that many others have released it already and it provides a lot of benefit to the world. I'm glad they put consideration in to how it could be abused and think the world is net better off with airtags.

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I think the cat was out of the bag in a way on this one. Apple put in a good effort to stop abuse but the technology is in people hands now.

They could NOT sell the tech. It's a choice.

The technology already existed, and people could use it.

Apple AirTags make it popular so now people will be more careful.

Despite the abuse I think the education on the technology is a net benefit.

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In New Jersey most of the town cops make 6 figures and are in less danger than a bicyclist on public roads.

I think that speaks more about being a bicyclist on the roads of New Jersey than the dangers a cop faces. It's funny when people complain about HN being too US-centric, when in reality it's CA,NY/NJ, and MA centric. NJ is awash in money flowing from Wall St, so I don't feel bad that their cops make a decent wage.

The biggest danger most cops face is being hit while standing by a car they've pulled over. That totals to ~60mins if you spend a full day issuing traffic citations. There are much more significant risks the general public faces in their daily lives.

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The question as asked seems pretty clear to me. If Company A builds a product/service, why should Company B be expected to utilize Company A's work without compensation? What more information do you need?

The questions, as asked, are lacking in tangible reality dynamics and are phrased with bias. My first response to the first version of that loaded question: "_I wasn't saying they should_..." You respond with: "If Company A builds a product/service, why should Company B be expected to utilize Company A's work without compensation?" Am I to believe you're being genuine here? Should I really repeat myself again, in tex…

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Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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I was really just playing devil's advocate. It just seems like everyone expects things to be given away as charity. Apple is not a 501(c), so if they come up with something, it's because they think there's a revenue stream in it. The entire thing works so well precisely because there are so many Apple devices in the wild, and Apple is looking to capitalize on that.

They're welcome to do whatever they please. Doesn't change the fact that they're the largest company in the world though, nor does it exempt them from a bit of criticism for being one of the most ruthless forces in capitalism today. I don't think it's wrong to expect them to set a good example for the thousands of organizations that choose to follow their path.

“Setting a good example” is completely and utterly subjective, and should not be left to a company to manage. If society deems something is in the best interests of society, it should be regulated by law. Asking companies to mind themselves in regards to what is best for society at large, while also mandating they maximize value for shareholders, is confusing at best.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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You'll note that there's never ever a culprit in a single one of these stories, and nobody ever successfully carries out the crime by actually showing up to an apartment or cornering someone in their car. It's classic urban legend stuff. Would you expect people to sometimes get away with committing a crime like stalking? Yes. Would you expect every single person who commits stalking in this way to always, without exc…

> simple misunderstandings, like someone accidentally dropping one somewhere. The uniquity of technology gives real stalkers this nice excuse. How convenient!

Very convenient. So much so that there must be one story of someone actually being attacked rather than just finding an AirTag, right?
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