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App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

chillfox wrote: post #246
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #239

The main question is: What about push notifications? WHAT ABOUT PUSH NOTIFICATIONS?!! Even if we sideload an app, with modern mobile OS architecture many classes of apps will be almost useless if sideloaded apps will not be able to use push notifications provided by an operating system.

No, too many apps wants to interrupt whatever I am doing to nag/inform me about non time critical stuff. I have disallowed notifications for almost all apps on my iPhone. I will check an app when I want to check it, not when the app developer wants me to.

This is an extremely limited way of thinking.

Do you want WhatsApp to deliver a message to you from your mom or special one that they urgently need help? Or should they wait till you will want to check the app?

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by InGoodFaith »

chillfox wrote: post #246
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #239

The main question is: What about push notifications? WHAT ABOUT PUSH NOTIFICATIONS?!! Even if we sideload an app, with modern mobile OS architecture many classes of apps will be almost useless if sideloaded apps will not be able to use push notifications provided by an operating system.

No, too many apps wants to interrupt whatever I am doing to nag/inform me about non time critical stuff. I have disallowed notifications for almost all apps on my iPhone. I will check an app when I want to check it, not when the app developer wants me to.

It's great that you have the choice to disallow notifications.

Conversely, it will also be great for any possible sideloaded app to also have the system give the user that same choice.

Now if one side starts to impose their choices on the other is when we start having a problem.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by dane-pgp »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #243
mopsi wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's fine. But don't take away my freedom to decide that for myself.

At this point Apple zealots usually say you are free to buy device form another manufacturer, because Apple is not a monopoly.

And if the US government banned all mobile manufacturers other than Apple, the Apple fans would say you can always go live in a different country. (If all countries banned non-Apple phones, then presumably the advice would be to start a new country, on a new planet if necessary).

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by chillfox »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #251
chillfox wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, too many apps wants to interrupt whatever I am doing to nag/inform me about non time critical stuff. I have disallowed notifications for almost all apps on my iPhone. I will check an app when I want to check it, not when the app developer wants me to.

This is an extremely limited way of thinking. Do you want WhatsApp to deliver a message to you from your mom or special one that they urgently need help? Or should they wait till you will want to check the app?

They should use a phone call for urgent things.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by cma »

jdrc wrote: post #242
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #239

The main question is: What about push notifications? WHAT ABOUT PUSH NOTIFICATIONS?!! Even if we sideload an app, with modern mobile OS architecture many classes of apps will be almost useless if sideloaded apps will not be able to use push notifications provided by an operating system.

well what about them? an oversaturated channel that inevitably will become useless. Maybe users should be trained to seek the information they want instead of a device telling them what to think. It's heathier.

Notifications can be used for more than an interrupting news feed.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by cma »

toqy wrote: post #229
Larrikin wrote: post #226

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Chrome versus safari is ignoring the much better choice of Firefox with extensions.

Firefox battery on macos is also bad, so same argument. Their market share on android vs chrome isn’t worth mentioning, so I don’t even know that it’s a better choice.

You can run a real ad blocker with FF mobile, which saves battery.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by chillfox »

InGoodFaith wrote: post #252
chillfox wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, too many apps wants to interrupt whatever I am doing to nag/inform me about non time critical stuff. I have disallowed notifications for almost all apps on my iPhone. I will check an app when I want to check it, not when the app developer wants me to.

It's great that you have the choice to disallow notifications. Conversely, it will also be great for any possible sideloaded app to also have the system give the user that same choice. Now if one side starts to impose their choices on the other is when we start having a problem.

Sure, I can agree with that.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by ThatPlayer »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #219
dskloet wrote: post #98

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Just curious, would you pay 40% more for the convenience of being able to cancel in one place?

When the alternative is a game of “find the cancel link”, slog of retention attempts, or gauntlet of phone bots it starts to become tempting. If services universally had an obvious cancel button that did exactly what it says it does without a runaround, then yeah the premium makes zero sense.

There's the other alternative which is similar to this App Store Bill: get the government involved. In California if you signed up with a button, you've got to be able to cancel with a button too. I like that way more than paying 20% to Apple just because they offer the same thing.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by tmpuser123 »

To those who say that if I don't sideload then this change won't affect me, I don't think this is true. Just because there aren't many alternative app stores on Android doesn't mean it won't happen on iOS. Developers will do this if there is a financial incentive. This is a forced fragmentation of the App store and will do absolutely nothing to improve the experience of a normal, non-HN-reading end user. This will in fact weaken the security for a normal user because they now can be tricked into installing malware without jailbreaking their phones.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by candiddevmike »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #239

The main question is: What about push notifications? WHAT ABOUT PUSH NOTIFICATIONS?!! Even if we sideload an app, with modern mobile OS architecture many classes of apps will be almost useless if sideloaded apps will not be able to use push notifications provided by an operating system.

It's coming soon! https://firt.dev/ios-15.4b
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