Live data from Hacker News

Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

gizmodo.com

271–280 of 404 posts

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#271
post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is this saying that Apple is relying on the unknown tag to announce itself by emitting a beep, and is that true? Not by itself, no. If you have an iPhone, you get notifications on your phone whether the AirTag ever beeps or not.

Also there's an Android app that does the same thing.

AirGuard (open source), but there's a battery hit.

The official Apple app only alerts when users run a manual scan (not very useful).

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once you take the emotional factor out of theft, it's basically solved by the concept of insurance. Just replace your things, and you should be mostly whole again.

Solved by insurance? We should normalize the idea of theft because some large entity will replace our goods whenever they are stolen? This seems like it sets up an incentive to steal, since "don't worry, it will be replaced for them by insurance anyways". Not to mention the emotional factor isn't the only factor by far. I don't know about you, but I'd prefer to have my car available to me on demand, rather than have…

Yes, we should normalize not reacting violently to theft because items can be replaced by insurance.

Theft is not a problem at the volume you're suggesting it is a problem. Most people don't have most of their things stolen most of the time, and AirTags have absolutely nothing to do with addressing the threat of theft.

And yes, it absolutely has to do with your emotions; everything has to do with emotions, the entire concept of reacting unemotionally is literally not possible for a human being to successfully execute unless you have a severe mental disorder (you don't, I gather).

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#273
post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has over a hundred million iPhones all across the US and opted them into helping track Airtags without asking for permission (I'm sure it was buried in the middle of pages of terms of service). The only way to opt your iDevice out of tracking is to turn off Find My, so you can't find your phone if you lose it. Nice bit of artificial tying there. Tile and Samsung devices are more for personal use and won't reall…

You can opt out of the "Find My network" part separately from the overall Find My system. This does mean that you'd not be able to find your phone if it's fully powered off, of course, but that seems to be a fair trade-off if you don't want to track or be tracked as part of this. See: https://imgur.com/a/ZY9oBPV

Reminds me of Comcast, ooh sorry, XFINITY (rebranded to try to drop their reputation as the #1 anti-consumer company) enabling public wifi on your modem / AP without your consent, then burying the opt-out.

Not on the same level, but Netflix auto-playing videos and previews is also annoying, and the option to disable it is purposely hidden on their website, not accessible through the app. Ugh.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Previously, it didn't help random creeps to find home address of a girl he saw in a grocery store. Now, with AirTags it is rather trivial. Thanks, Apple.

So trivial it never happens.

It was all over the tech news space back in November that a woman was alerted to one that was moving with her. Someone attached it to her car. And again in January.

https://www.wbrc.com/2021/11/18/woman-discovers-tracking-dev...

https://www.insideedition.com/atlanta-woman-cant-find-apple-...

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#275
It’s like normies have discovered small radio transmitters for the very first time or something. This isn’t new tech, it’s just more accessible and the monitoring network is better. ISM 433/900mhz transmitters with small microcontrollers have been around for quite a number of years, but I guess the reduced burden from “watch a few YouTube videos and spend some time tinkering with a soldering iron and batteries” to “buy this and hide it somewhere on a car you’d like to steal” + the anonymity (even though they’re registered to an iCloud account…) and ready availability of these now is a game-changer for criminals.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#276

Taping them together tightly silences it. Airtags have to be the most nerfed product I've bought. Day one, they were fantastic. Then they lowered the beeping and rogue alerts to a threshold my wife gets them from my keys or wallet all the time. Then they just beep randomly. I regret buying them to be honest. Tile never really got harped on for stalking. The samsung trackers work just as well as Apple and don't have a…

I had once been standing in a queue of a few hundred people and one of them (maybe several) had an AirTag. I could not silence the warning so I had to endure the huge warning message that doesn’t tell me where the AirTag is nor allows me to disable it.

It’s impressively pointless. Maybe I should buy one and annoy people with it.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitcoin used to do this: low value and/or infrequent transfers used to be free. Only charged money for big transfers and the high frequency traders. Dunno why it stopped. Seemed sensible to reward hodlers and incentivize use for microtransactions. Ultimately, liquidity comes from being able to trade a big thing easily for lots of small things.

> Bitcoin used to do this: low value and/or infrequent transfers used to be free. Miners used to include zero-fee transactions in blocks when there was space available. Nowadays, most blocks are full or nearly so, so miners have a financial interest in mining transactions with the highest fee-per-byte first and ignoring anything which has a low or zero fee attached. There was never any special handling for "infrequen…

"Input Age" was a factor in determining priority:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Miner_fees#Priority_transactions

Maybe I got it wrong: I thought it meant how long the coins have been sitting around, but maybe it means how long the transaction has been sitting unmined to make sure no transaction is left behind?

But it seems I'm on the right track, in that input_age was a measure of how many confirmations, which suggests it's about how long it's been since the last time they were moved:

note1 here: https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/95407/what-were-...

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#278
post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well you can have the iPad share its location ... that's a thing. How you do it depends on if your iPad is setup under a different apple ID or not (still can do it either way). My father in law who is older and prone to wandering off, I put an airtag on him while on vacation temporarily when we were out and about, and set his phone to share his location to the whole family all the time just to be save. It's very hand…

> Well you can have the iPad share its location ... that's a thing. As a member of my family account, his iPad does share its location. But only for 24 hours after the battery dies, at which point Apple will no longer show you were it was last found. And since it's only a WiFi iPad, it'll only report when attached to a network it knows about. And even in perfect circumstances, it doesn't work worth a crap. My daughte…

Replying to myself to complain. LOL.

Found the iPad. My daughter hid it and turned it off so it could not be located. A couple days ago I had asked her if she knew where it was. We have a thing where if I really need to know 100% the answer to a question, we'll lock pinkies and she can tell me anything and I agree there will be no consequences for what she confesses. A momentary free pass in return for a hard truth. She lied to me when I asked her point blank if she had done anything with the iPad or knew where it was. That hurts. She has a casual relationship with the truth (she is 11 years old, FWIW), and I had been trying to give her a way to get back into a more trustworthy relationship. To lie during a pinky promise... ugh. I've failed as a parent, LOL. There's no real reason to punish her, I guess, she's lost more than she realizes yet, I think.

Rant over. Parenting is occasionally such a PITA. I love my daughter but she causes me ongoing anxiety as a parent. My son (9 years old) is so compliant, by comparison he's a breeze.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#279
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Tile will, so will SmartThings

Tile does not have nearly the network that Apple does. I attached an AirTag to an electric scooter, which I ended up returning. I forgot to remove the AirTag; I've been able to track the scooter over hundreds of miles with quick updates (even driving down a freeway). I've been having a fun time checking in on the scooter for months now. I have a Tile attached to a generator at my house. Since I've disabled Tile on my…

You are being gross. You should disassociate the AirTag from your account.

You seem to insist that you forgot to take the AirTag off, and that leaving it on was an accident. Well, you now know that you didn't and, since you don't plan to retrieve it, shouldn't surveil it for your idle whimsey. If you sold your home and forgot to remove a few of your indoor cameras, is it okay for you to continue to monitoring the home? The answer is obviously no. What you're doing is not different.

Just because feds aren't knocking at your door doesn't mean what you're doing is not gross. I definitely wouldn't call it funny.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

#280
post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I know there is no way to determine the owner of an AirTag.

A law enforcement request to apple should tell you everything you need to know and more about the owner of an airtag.

Source of Apple giving out AirTag info?
Post reply on HN