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Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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I assume Apple only cares enough about the anti-stalking feature to avoid significant negative press. As others have pointed out, you can buy small GPS trackers without anti-stalking features already, and those will only get smaller / better battery life over time.

Or, perhaps Apple only cares about the anti-stalking feature up to the point where it makes the product impossible to implement, because both have the same use case (finding). There are many AirTags in my family, and I'm constantly hearing beeping and getting notifications that I'm being followed, because my wife is sitting next to me, with her purse on her lap, and her keys, and her wallet. And guess what, you can't "trust" someone else's AirTag. I can't permanently turn off the notifications, because stalkers would do that too. The amount of anti-stalking that's present is so annoying as is that I'm probably not going to be buying any more.

In your opinion, what else could Apple do here, assuming you're familiar with the product?

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Taping them together tightly silences it. Airtags have to be the most nerfed product I've bought. Day one, they were fantastic. Then they lowered the beeping and rogue alerts to a threshold my wife gets them from my keys or wallet all the time. Then they just beep randomly. I regret buying them to be honest. Tile never really got harped on for stalking. The samsung trackers work just as well as Apple and don't have a…

Apple gets a lot of focus on it that other companies do not. Ex. Headlines often focus on Apple when revealing some of Foxconn's worst labor practices. But stories about Foxconn using child labor to build Alexa devices, and the person who blew the whistle on that being tortured and put in jail for revealing it, went fairly under the radar in comparison. It's definitely a good thin that unethical labor practices being…

> But stories about Foxconn using child labor to build Alexa devices ... went fairly under the radar in comparison

This specific instance might be true, I don't know. But it seems incorrect to base an argument off Apple getting less/more coverage than a company like Amazon.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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It wouldn't be hard to make a silent container for an airtag that'd let the audible signal reach the mic but not the alarm. Personally I think they'll eventually have to link every Airtag to a real identity so anyone detecting one knows who it really belongs to.

> have to link every Airtag to a real identity Isn't it already linked to your Apple account? Take the AirTag to the cops, they ask Apple who it belongs to.

Not sure why you're being downvoted, valid question. I don't know how they work, but I assume they are linked to an account.

Why even involve the cops - if you have an airtag, you should be able to scan it's code and it reveals the account holder's name.

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I love my AirTags because they actually have a functional tracking network. I've lost items outside the house with a Tile tracker attached and it proved to be entirely worthless for actually finding my stuff. They simply don't have a good network.

This is a place for a generic open protocol. To have a real internet of things we need some kind of DNS but for objects.

> This is a place for a generic open protocol.

Not sure if you've seen but Apple opened the Find-My network to other vendors: https://www.apple.com/ee/newsroom/2021/04/apples-find-my-net...

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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A Tile will, so will SmartThings

Tile does not have nearly the network that Apple does. I attached an AirTag to an electric scooter, which I ended up returning. I forgot to remove the AirTag; I've been able to track the scooter over hundreds of miles with quick updates (even driving down a freeway). I've been having a fun time checking in on the scooter for months now. I have a Tile attached to a generator at my house. Since I've disabled Tile on my…

> I attached an AirTag to an electric scooter, which I ended up returning. I forgot to remove the AirTag; I've been able to track the scooter over hundreds of miles with quick updates (even driving down a freeway). I've been having a fun time checking in on the scooter for months now.

This describes how 99% of these "AirTags Used In Stalking Incident" stories come about.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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I love my AirTags because they actually have a functional tracking network. I've lost items outside the house with a Tile tracker attached and it proved to be entirely worthless for actually finding my stuff. They simply don't have a good network.

This is a place for a generic open protocol. To have a real internet of things we need some kind of DNS but for objects.

The open protocol for universal surveillance of everyone everywhere might not be my first choice, but it would make sense.

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Samsung trackers do not work nearly as well imo. Or tile for that matter. I’ve tried most of them and AirTags are clearly on another level for better or worse I do think AirTags should have a button like the Samsung ones, tho.

>> Samsung trackers do not work nearly as well imo. Well, Apple Airtags use the massive network of iPhones to report the location of nearby airtags to Apple.

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What tracker is comparable in price? An AirTag is $30 with no other monthly costs. Genuinely asking, I would love to find a better solution.

A quick search on Amazon for 'gps tracker' will yield at least one option on the first page for $29.99. GSM for communications. Not as small as an AirTag, but 1.5 inches by 0.9 by 0.6 inches isn't exactly huge either. A legitimate point is that the battery life isn't great. But that's not too hard to solve, if you tolerate a little more space for a bigger battery. I'm sure there are even better options out there, tha…

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Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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A Tile will, so will SmartThings

Tile does not have nearly the network that Apple does. I attached an AirTag to an electric scooter, which I ended up returning. I forgot to remove the AirTag; I've been able to track the scooter over hundreds of miles with quick updates (even driving down a freeway). I've been having a fun time checking in on the scooter for months now. I have a Tile attached to a generator at my house. Since I've disabled Tile on my…

> I attached an AirTag to an electric scooter, which I ended up returning. I forgot to remove the AirTag; I've been able to track the scooter over hundreds of miles with quick updates (even driving down a freeway). I've been having a fun time checking in on the scooter for months now.

That story alone is horrifying and a reason by itself this thing should be illegal. Also, what you are doing is not ok.

Re: Silenced AirTags with disabled speakers are popping up for sale online

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Taping them together tightly silences it. Airtags have to be the most nerfed product I've bought. Day one, they were fantastic. Then they lowered the beeping and rogue alerts to a threshold my wife gets them from my keys or wallet all the time. Then they just beep randomly. I regret buying them to be honest. Tile never really got harped on for stalking. The samsung trackers work just as well as Apple and don't have a…

Apple gets a lot of focus on it that other companies do not. Ex. Headlines often focus on Apple when revealing some of Foxconn's worst labor practices. But stories about Foxconn using child labor to build Alexa devices, and the person who blew the whistle on that being tortured and put in jail for revealing it, went fairly under the radar in comparison. It's definitely a good thin that unethical labor practices being…

Apple has scale. Tile has similar functionalities but it doesn't have a large network that Apple's IPhone has.

It's going to be very hard to use Tile to stalk people.

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