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I took down my Starlink dish (but haven't cancelled)

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Re: I took down my Starlink dish (but haven't cancelled)

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I don't think the general hype was that Starlink would replace existing ISPs everywhere. It was always understood that this product was for rural/remote areas that don't have direct lines for internet connection.

Well, at least in my case there was some hope that it would set a floor for internet service in larger towns where the local cable/telco monopoly just milks the customers for $100+ a month for really subpar internet service (I pay about that for 20Mbit upload from the cable co, the DSL provider can barely do 2 up 40 mbits down for roughly the same price). Where as a couple miles away the DSL provider strung fiber to…

That density means there is no way that Starlink will be able to service more than a couple percent of your town any time soon.

Re: I took down my Starlink dish (but haven't cancelled)

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Similar situation but I switched to T-Mobile. I have a Starlink order but it got delayed 6 months. At this point, I'll just cancel it because T-Mobile Home Internet is a game changer.

I thought about switching to one of those mobile internet providers, but it wasn’t available in my area, which I don’t quite understand. My providers network is certainly available, as I use it on my phone daily. Maybe it’s using some different band?

I suspect availability of 5G or LTE "home internet" service is gated by not only signal strength but also by the vendor's assessment of their (tower, backhaul?) capacity in the locale.

Re: I took down my Starlink dish (but haven't cancelled)

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Its interesting to me how the customer service mindset between Elon's companies and a company like Amazon is so opposite. Amazon has a almost militant drive to optimize customer experience, will take anything back, will do just about anything to please their customers. They state so. Tesla, Space X in the form if starlink, solar city all seem to have pretty piss poor customer service and experience. They get away wit…

> The only difference between Theranos and Elon's ventures is

that Elizabeth Holmes is in jail for fraud and Elon Musk signs and delivers on deals with NASA.

Re: I took down my Starlink dish (but haven't cancelled)

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It's a low orbit satellite, which limits the amount of coverage for each satellite. And currently (without the sat-2-sat laser link), there needs to be a ground station also in range. If his cousin's house isn't close enough to a ground station, it just doesn't work. That's why Starlink is allocating based on addresses.

This range is not 70 miles, it may be 300+ miles. My location in eastern Europe currently can connect to ground stations in Poland and Turkey (600 miles apart).

Right. But if you live near the edge of coverage, say 280 miles, and your friend lives another 70 miles out, he could be 350 miles from the nearest base station. I know this is an oversimplification of the issue. But maybe the friend would be connected to a different ground station, that happened to be full.

Re: I took down my Starlink dish (but haven't cancelled)

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CGNAT ?!? Huh, I would have expected Starlink to be IPv6 only...

The Internet does not work without IPv4. It’s either CGNAT or ponying up $60 per IPv4 address.

And yet ever more people only have IPv6... and last I checked IPv6 server support is around 99% these days ?

Re: I took down my Starlink dish (but haven't cancelled)

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What's the point of satellite internet if you can't move the dish around? That would seem to be one of the USPs...

Due to the design of satellite based internet they are fundamentally limited on how many dishes they can support in a certain area while still achieving advertised bandwidth rates. There is a very, very high probability that if they allowed people to move starlink transceivers/dishes around that a number of areas would end up with higher concentrations than wanted, and starlink would have a lot of angry customers.

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Re: I took down my Starlink dish (but haven't cancelled)

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Regarding power usage: old lightbulbs used to be 100W, but now I get to high speed internet by connecting to low orbit satellites at my rural property... I'm not going to complain about 100W. Propriety connectors: it's not a laptop which i need to connect to many things. I set it up and leave it. Lack of ethernet: sure, that's a legitimate problem for me... $20 fix. Wifi 6: as author said, Starlink isn't fast enough…

Sounds like you are more informed after reading the article. Therefore, it's not clickbait.

I think it is clickbait because I believe nearly all the complaints aren't valid. "I bought a new Lamborghini and it failed after 100 meters!", then in article we find out he brought his Lambo to an old logging road.

Re: I took down my Starlink dish (but haven't cancelled)

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I don't understand why cable connections are so bad when there is DOCSIS 3.1. Is it that the cable provider just has such a limited link on their end that people are getting speeds sub 100mbit? Are they vastly over provisioning their networks?

There's a few factors, all of which are in some level of change right now.

1) Cable providers in major markets (urban ones) are offering gbps service and often slightly faster (1.2gbps) now, at rates that I would say aren't great but are not terrible, in my case about $100 a month. Unfortunately that gigabit is downstream only. So high DOCSIS speeds are happening, just not as universally as you'd hope.

2) One of our biggest cable giants, Comcast, has a legacy channel planning problem related to the older Motorola STBs guide and on-demand delivery that prevents them reallocating additional channels to DOCSIS 3.1 upstream for the time being (those channels are in use by the Motorola STBs which don't support anything else). This results in a hard 35mbps upstream limit for most Comcast customers. Unfortunately the route to fixing this is to replace all of the older STBs, which Comcast is slowly doing but this requires getting customers to turn in their old one and pick up a new one... you can imagine how hard it is to get everyone to do this, even offering incentives.

3) DOCSIS 3.1 can achieve gbps+ speeds over an admirably long range but not for a very high customer count. So cable providers are transitioning their HFC network over time to a "node+0" architecture that resembles DSL with serving area DSLAMs... basically they are eliminating distribution amplifiers from the cable network and replacing them with compact field nodes (CMTS and head end) using fiber uplink. This essentially becomes a "fiber to the curb" architecture with cable last mile (more like last thousand feet in urban areas). It needs to be done mainly to reduce the number of customers on each CMTS to reduce contention, and sort of as a requirement for full performance of the DOCSIS 3.1 high speed upstream channels, but as you can imagine this large-scale change to outdoor plant is expensive and time-consuming, although it seems largely complete in a lot of cities.

4) As you get customers on very fast service plans backhaul at the node becomes a problem. This is mostly being addressed through installing new fiber backhaul routes for the new nodes, but in more suburban areas can be a big limitation.

5) All the TV on the cable takes up a lot of bandwidth and makes channel planning more difficult even with the abstraction in STBs. This is why major cable providers are starting to shift towards an IP-only "over the top" architecture where they deliver IPTV over DOCSIS instead of "real" cable television. This will help but once again requires all new STBs.

Re: I took down my Starlink dish (but haven't cancelled)

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The Internet does not work without IPv4. It’s either CGNAT or ponying up $60 per IPv4 address.

This an interesting aspect to me because it means even the lowest quality, poorest run, failing infrastructure ISP has nearly liquid assets of about $30 million USD if they have half a million customers. That's a staggering amount of money & it isn't locked up in assets like real estate.

Not just ISPs, some other companies (IBM ?) and universities managed to get huge address chunks early on for pennies.

This scarcity creates perverse incentives, I'm surprised that the governments aren't doing their job in first forcing new hardware to be IPv6-compatible, then later forbidding new hardware to be IPv4-compatible, like they did for digital TV tuners and low consumption light bulbs... maybe because the lobbying is pushing in the opposite direction in this case for the aforementioned reason ?

Re: I took down my Starlink dish (but haven't cancelled)

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>> These connectors are dumb, and I can't think of a good reason they exist. There are ways SpaceX could improve networking hardware, but proprietary non-standard connectors ain't one of 'em. Did he ever think they might be weather proof? Looks like some rubber seals on those connectors. You know, since the dish is outdoors and has to deal with rain, sleet, or snow. I certainly wouldn't put a standard RJ45 on it. I'd…

Weatherproof RJ45 fittings are well established and used by most outdoor CPE. I do assume that Starlink figured their connector design was easier to use (the typical weathertight ethernet ferrules are kind of fiddly), but it seems like a poor choice overall considering it's going to make installation a lot more complicated since the cable needs to be fished with connectors on. It seems like a decision that was made to benefit consumer "jammed through the window" install to such a degree that it will make professional installation significantly more difficult, especially that right angle connector is never going to be fishable through smurf tube the way an electrician would install it, and it'd require a huge hole to drill it through the siding the way a cable installer would. That's the big advantage of modular connectors: installers have the tools to terminate cables, so they can run the cable sans connector.
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