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Building a modern home in the woods

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Re: Building a modern home in the woods

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post #90

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> Am I the only one who almost spit out his coffee when reading this paragraph? No, I thought that was a typo and should be 40A (so 120V * 40 A or 400V * 12A).

It's not a typo because 400A is indeed the highest tier residential service BC Hydro currently offers[0]. 400A is also in the right ballpark for the amount of equipment he describes. [0] https://app.bchydro.com/accounts-billing/electrical-connecti...

The copper coming from "something" will be at least 1/2 inch thick, probably more so that it doesn't lose voltage. We're probably talking a 7/0 cable where 4/0 would be bare minimum.

Re: Building a modern home in the woods

#112
post #99

"The bigger issue was that the energy demands for the house, which included hot water heating for the pool and hot tub, outstripped the electrical supply we could get on a rural residential build: 400A" Am I the only one who almost spit out his coffee when reading this paragraph? I mean, building a remote home in the middle of a forest is a cool idea, sure. But then end up feeding the whole thing with 400A worth of e…

Top-to-bottom windows all over and narrow spaces .. it's actually amazing they fit it in 100KVA. This thing in winter would need about twice that just to not freeze. Hence the propane, and forget the tub and the pool.

There are probably other ways to build a modern-style home that don't involve this, but they currently aren't in vogue.

To which end, I wonder how long such a home would last, given the upkeep. The bling times come and go. Just look at history.

Re: Building a modern home in the woods

#113
post #98

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I'm from the US and I was shocked they needed 400A plus propane. We draw more current then you guys because our voltage is lower but still, 200A services are pretty standard for large rural homes.

> I was shocked they needed 400A Seconded. I recently completed an all electric high performance remodel, and with 200A service, I can power a heat pump, heat pump water heater, all electric kitchen and laundry, and an EV charger, with Amps to spare. This is in the mild Bay Area, and my heat pump draws about 6A (15A breaker). The largest loads are EV and cooktop/stove. A 3000sqft custom house built to high performanc…

I'm running a small hot tub in central New Hampshire. I figure it costs me $15 per month in the winter.

Edit: Service in the US is generally 200A or 400A. I'd say 400A is overbuilt for what they have, but that doesn't mean they actually use much of that capacity.

For example, I average 1000 kWh per month, which is about 1.39 kW 24/7, or 12 amps average on my 200A service. The 200A is to have headroom for peak demands, and we probably never get close to 200A.

If I were to rewire my panel (it's full), I'd go for the 400A - it's just heavier copper in the three lines to the entrance panel. That would not increase my monthly power bill right now, but it would provide lots of excess capacity in case I want to switch to heat pumps and electric vehicles.

Since we heat with wood and propane and don't use electricity for either and have mostly LED lighting and a gas stove, I do wonder where all the power is going, especially at night. Too many computers, I guess. Add analysis to my to-do list!

Re: Building a modern home in the woods

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"The bigger issue was that the energy demands for the house, which included hot water heating for the pool and hot tub, outstripped the electrical supply we could get on a rural residential build: 400A" Am I the only one who almost spit out his coffee when reading this paragraph? I mean, building a remote home in the middle of a forest is a cool idea, sure. But then end up feeding the whole thing with 400A worth of e…

Since our voltage is 120/240 volt split phase or 120/208 open Y service (less common) we tend to need higher currents for main breakers/fuses. The old standard for a home was 100 amps whereas modern homes are built with 200 amp mains. I suppose the low cost of air conditioning and heat pumps has raised this demand. Otherwise our lighting and appliance loads have become more efficient.

A 230/400V open Y service at 25 amps is just 10kW which to me sounds like an old standard or mains for a small 1-2br apartment. I'd expect at least a 50-60A service. Though I know some (many?) homes in EU are on actual 3 phase so 25A at 400V 3 phase becomes 17.3kW which is not far from the 24kW a 100A 120/240 service provides. Still anemic but quite a bit of power for a 1-4 person household living modestly. Though in the USA it seems utilities make residential 3 phase difficult or impossible to obtain as you might do commercial stuff with that electric without paying commercial rates or your neighborhood is served by a single phase feeder.

Re: Building a modern home in the woods

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Leaving out the actual financial information makes this post a little useless. Before I can imagine it, I want to know if I can do this or if I need to be a trust fund baby.

It’s at least $1,000/sqft all-in. Construction costs have gone up a lot in recent years, and architecturally designed houses like this are expensive to design and build.

Re: Building a modern home in the woods

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Hard to call it modern with those kinds of energy demands. I'm on a similar path, but a large part of the plan is to have a minimal footprint. I have access to a community well and electricity, but the goal to make it self sufficient enough to be off grid, while maintaining a reasonable lifestyle. So instead of a heated pool/etc the money would be going into solar arrays and batteries and a well.

Plus, pools suck, sure its a lot of fun for the kids a few weeks of the year, but they tend to sit unused most of the time, while consuming electricity, chemicals, etc. I have a heater that broke a few years ago, and i haven't bothered to fix it because getting out of an outdoor heated pool when its 60F or colder just isn't something most people enjoy. So I just stopped heating it long before it broke.

Re: Building a modern home in the woods

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They literally mentioned nothing about societal issues I guess you missed the phrase "extensive societal advantages" in OP's comment.

And that assumption is based off what?

The fact that they can afford to build a second mansion while millions are homeless. It's a pretty simple equation.

Re: Building a modern home in the woods

#119
Always intrigued by this idea. But the thing that I never see addressed in these discussions: what's the plan for schooling? just do small local rural schools? do online supplementation? This is the sticking point that keeps me from going far down this path.

Re: Building a modern home in the woods

#120
post #91

why do people find these abject squares beautiful?

It's different from traditional square houses. Most houses are a big box with a sloping roof, so anything that deviates from that expectation is interesting (for some).

My 2¢ from observation. I could be completely wrong, too.

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