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The bureaucracy of hiking Hungary's Blue Trail

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Re: The bureaucracy of hiking Hungary's Blue Trail

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I get the impression that this is a system wherein honest mistakes and failure to adhere to strict rules are punished, while outright cheating is allowed simply because it's difficult or impossible to catch. Meanwhile, the strict rules exist in part in order to try to make cheating harder, but don't actually seem to make it harder to cheat, they just make it harder to complete the trail in an honest fashion. As such,…

In this case it doesn't seem so bad, as long as the cheats aren't massively damaging the reputation or enjoyment of the trail. Let them have their petty triumphs. It reminds me a bit of the current popularity of Escape Rooms. A lot of the ones in the UK will rank your time and keep track of monthly or overall records. Of course, it's easy to get the record just by doing it twice, or first listening to how your friend…

> But who would bother?

Oh sweet summer child

Re: The bureaucracy of hiking Hungary's Blue Trail

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Wait, how is this remotely the same?

Bureaucracy is white noise no matter what language is used.

None of the things mentioned in the article are remotely comparable to just wanting to vacation in the US for a few months.

Re: The bureaucracy of hiking Hungary's Blue Trail

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As someone who actually hiked that trail: I think the author is just missing the point: yes the whole system could be improved, that´s correct, but that´s not IMPORTANT! Collecting the stamps is just to motivate people, give them a feeling of accomplishment. You can opt for not getting a single stamp, but collecting them is just part of a tradition, which has it´s roots way back before the socialist era. Also note: t…

Agreed. Each stamp print is a small reward and seeing more and more of the beautifully designed prints appear in your booklet feels great. I started hiking the trail in 2019 with my dog - we both have separate collection booklets - and I hope when we finally complete the trail, he too can get his own badge.

I love this! My dog would love to hike this with us. The ~4900 mile/~7900 km trip to get there in the first place, not so much :)

Re: The bureaucracy of hiking Hungary's Blue Trail

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Have you hiked a long trail before? I did the Camino de Santiago, starting at Vezelay, and I am not a sentimental person, but I very much cherish my stamp book. It elicits very different memories from me compared to when I look back at pictures I took, or read my diary from that time.

Why yes. Yes, I have. The John Muir trail in California. Three weeks, 213 miles, 47,000 feet of elevation gain, and all I got was a lifetime of memories.

I've hiked both and they are very different experiences. The JMT offers natural beauty and (relative) solitude. The camino is a cultural and social experience. The little passport book is a cute and benign part of camino culture.

Re: The bureaucracy of hiking Hungary's Blue Trail

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Why do people still make jokes like this about marriage? It seems very outdated.

Because people like to joke about things that are common causes of little problems (and sometimes big ones) to so many of us in life. What exactly is so outdated about it? or the real fact that marriage is a marathon sometimes?

You can go to any place, anywhere on Earth, at any point in time, make a joke about marriage and some human will get it. Not on HN though :)

Re: The bureaucracy of hiking Hungary's Blue Trail

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you hiked a long trail before? I did the Camino de Santiago, starting at Vezelay, and I am not a sentimental person, but I very much cherish my stamp book. It elicits very different memories from me compared to when I look back at pictures I took, or read my diary from that time.

Why yes. Yes, I have. The John Muir trail in California. Three weeks, 213 miles, 47,000 feet of elevation gain, and all I got was a lifetime of memories.

And you took no pictures, and wrote no words, and took no memorabilia? Where would you even get a stamp book up there?

Re: The bureaucracy of hiking Hungary's Blue Trail

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I get the impression that this is a system wherein honest mistakes and failure to adhere to strict rules are punished, while outright cheating is allowed simply because it's difficult or impossible to catch. Meanwhile, the strict rules exist in part in order to try to make cheating harder, but don't actually seem to make it harder to cheat, they just make it harder to complete the trail in an honest fashion. As such,…

"Stamp rallies" in Japan are so common that they invented their own pseudo-English word for them. The OG is the Shikoku 88 Temple Pilgrimage, which requires you to collect stamps from 88 different temples, preferably by walking 1200 km: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikoku_Pilgrimage Although there's no prize or verifying authority for completion.

> Although there's no prize or verifying authority for completion.

And that solves many problems stated in the article. Rewards are tricky and create a willingness to optimize on how to obtain the reward instead of enjoying the experience.

Re: The bureaucracy of hiking Hungary's Blue Trail

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I hiked 30 miles over 3 days once and it was an epic adventure, leaving me exhausted. It's hard for me to even imagine what a 700 mile trip like this on foot is like! And the PCT is almost four times longer....

The CDT is even worse. And there are parts of the CDT where towns are 120 miles apart--you either carry enough food to cross that or you cache supplies in the wilderness (there are roads you can get access with) to pick up along the way.

Re: The bureaucracy of hiking Hungary's Blue Trail

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Bureaucracy is white noise no matter what language is used.

Camping permits are about capacity limits and funding, not bureaucracy.

>capacity limits and funding, not bureaucracy.

These things are all related.

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