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How should net metering affect your electric bill?

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Re: How should net metering affect your electric bill?

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Good piece...putting on my econ hat here, it would definitely be more accurate to say that prices are signals that reflect the all-in cost of moving products and their dependencies through a supply chain and to the consumer. These signals can be disrupted by many factors, including competition or lack thereof, regulation or tax policy, etc, that often can make things inefficient. But in the examples the author uses,…

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Re: How should net metering affect your electric bill?

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OP hints at this - but the problem seems to be net metering lumps capacity payments in with the cost of power. Some markets run a separate capacity market that rewards power generators explicitly for their capacity - independently of whether they actually generate any electricity. (California's market (CAISO) doesn't do this) A long time ago I was involved in setting capacity market prices if y'all have follow up que…

My utility charges separate amounts for generation and for distribution. In theory (I don't have solar), the electricity generated by the rooftop panels should be compensated at the generation rate. The the utility would then charge the consuming customer the distribution rate.

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>> For instance, pricey CDs prevented lots of people from listening to music. Nope. Nobody I knew in the 90s had this issue. In fact, higher prices caused more people to listen to more music. Unable to afford CDs, the kids turned to Napster. After that they had access to more music than any generation in history. This in turn forced the music industry to change, to create online delivery platforms. Napster might be g…

There must have been a lot of people that had access to record stores but not to the internet, and not enough money for lots of CDs. And Napster launched in 1999.

Napster was the first big name, but there were other schemes for downloading music earlier. Mp3s had been around since the early nineties. Even without downloading, high CD prices saw kids copying and burning CDs for each other as soon as burners were available. So long as you had some social connections you knew someone with access to free music.

Re: How should net metering affect your electric bill?

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>> For instance, pricey CDs prevented lots of people from listening to music. Nope. Nobody I knew in the 90s had this issue. In fact, higher prices caused more people to listen to more music. Unable to afford CDs, the kids turned to Napster. After that they had access to more music than any generation in history. This in turn forced the music industry to change, to create online delivery platforms. Napster might be g…

There was a long period of purchasing music from stores before Napster was even an option. Having to spend $12-$16 on a CD you intended to listen to one, maybe two songs on absolutely stunted the amount of music people listened to for a very long time.

Re: How should net metering affect your electric bill?

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It seems to me if it's true that the cost of distribution is something like 77%, then it really argues in favor of more houses being off grid -- For the cost it may have been better to build self sufficiency, and/or micro community grids rather than a giant regional one. The economy of scale in generation is lost in the costs of distribution.

Re: How should net metering affect your electric bill?

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The author here would do well to and understand and use terms like "fixed costs" and "variable costs". There are large fixed costs in the power grid and the author is complaining that the retail price of electricity doesn't reflect the variable costs, leading to distortions and perverse incentives.

But this doesn't make prices "lies".

> The current net metering system in California is pretty favorable to customers with rooftop solar; in effect, it’s a subsidy.

It's quite an overt and deliberate subsidy to foster solar power technology (which has been wildly successful), reduce demand on the grid and to shift the pattern of power usage. Electricity use spikes during daylight hours [1]. This happens to be when the Sun is shining and solar power works. Peak demand is really the only thing that matters in powering a grid. Solar is highly effective at reducing peak usage.

I honestly don't know why the author feels like any of this isn't "upfront".

[1]: https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=42915

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If some states weren't captured by utility monopolies, then solar users would be legally allowed to disconnect from the power grid, potentially solving the first issue. It's amazing to me that this is illegal anywhere.

As far as I can tell, only Florida makes it actually illegal to disconnect from the power grid[1]. It seems to be legal in every other state, subject to doing paperwork.

[1]: https://off-grid-home.com/is-it-legal-to-disconnect-your-hom...

Re: How should net metering affect your electric bill?

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If some states weren't captured by utility monopolies, then solar users would be legally allowed to disconnect from the power grid, potentially solving the first issue. It's amazing to me that this is illegal anywhere.

Off-grid electricity used to be illegal in California under Title 24. The law required residential homes to have an “interconnection pathway.” However, the law has recently been updated and now specifically allows off-grid electricity.

Re: How should net metering affect your electric bill?

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post #16

The author here would do well to and understand and use terms like "fixed costs" and "variable costs". There are large fixed costs in the power grid and the author is complaining that the retail price of electricity doesn't reflect the variable costs, leading to distortions and perverse incentives. But this doesn't make prices "lies". > The current net metering system in California is pretty favorable to customers wi…

> It's quite an overt and deliberate subsidy to foster solar power technology

I'd say that the issue the author is addressing is that it is not so overt. Sure, if you meditate on it it becomes clear it's a subsidy, but I think the vast majority of the people who take advantage of it simply think "I produce as much as a use, so of course my bill should be zero."

Re: How should net metering affect your electric bill?

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“In practice, it’s often politically difficult to argue for overt subsidies, and we resort to workarounds like net metering.“ The reason we have so many hidden subsidies (also: tax credits) is precisely the sentence above. It’s the difference between policy and politics. Few policies are designed well because the main force driving their creation is political support (or the lack of it).

The delivery fee being artificially low was a political decision to subsidize utility prices for the poor. Every single utility has step function of pricing for usage fees that works to capture the cost of providing the infrastructure. This is why net metering never made sense to utilities and why they were trying to reject it despite states and politicians seeking to force it on them. The utilities who did go all-in on net metering willingly did so at the generator rates which pissed off a ton of homeowners but that was actually a fair thing to do as that reflected the real price of the energy being provided.
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