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Re: Ideas that have been beaten to death

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Post by bee_rider »

WJW wrote: post #36
GEBBL wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, I would say the process of note taking is an important part of my retention. I refer to my notes a lot. I worked with a guy who never took notes and was able to remember everything. I’m not that smart!

I think the GP referred more to those people who write down a lot but (almost) never refer to their notes or review them. For many people, after several years they will have a giant repository of hundreds or thousands of notes with very poor organization and the value decreases rapidly because they can't find anything anymore.

Note taking is a memorization ritual for some people. Notes taken but not reviewed have still done their job if it helps the person remember.

Re: Ideas that have been beaten to death

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Post by jonwinstanley »

rukshn wrote: post #25
jonwinstanley wrote: post #21

Could it be that bookmarking is something people often think they need, but actually, even if they remember to bookmark something they will rarely revisit their bookmarks. What people really need is a way of recalling instantly every snippet of information from every website they have ever visited on any device in a timely fashion. Which sounds tricky to implement.

Yes that is so true, the extension I made for Chrome changes the new tab page of your browser to all the links you saved. I did it because even I used to bookmark stuff but then forgets all about it. So having it sticking out to your face every time when you open a new tab will at least make you go out and read it.

Nice. Does it just show the most recent or pick some oldies from the archive too?

Re: Ideas that have been beaten to death

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Post by jonwinstanley »

dkersten wrote: post #29
jonwinstanley wrote: post #21

Could it be that bookmarking is something people often think they need, but actually, even if they remember to bookmark something they will rarely revisit their bookmarks. What people really need is a way of recalling instantly every snippet of information from every website they have ever visited on any device in a timely fashion. Which sounds tricky to implement.

My problem with bookmarking has always been that they quickly become just as unwieldy as not having things bookmarked, so finding a bookmarked item becomes really difficult. Plus I forget what I have bookmarked so when I want to read a thing again I don’t think to check the bookmarks. So I’ve largely stopped using them and just use it as a giant “to browse through again eventually” list instead.

Haha totally. I don’t bookmark anything anymore.

I use Pocket so that if ever I’m out of network I’ve got a collection of interesting articles to read but rarely remember to do that either.

Re: Ideas that have been beaten to death

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Post by eloisius »

bee_rider wrote: post #41
WJW wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the GP referred more to those people who write down a lot but (almost) never refer to their notes or review them. For many people, after several years they will have a giant repository of hundreds or thousands of notes with very poor organization and the value decreases rapidly because they can't find anything anymore.

Note taking is a memorization ritual for some people. Notes taken but not reviewed have still done their job if it helps the person remember.

That’s true for me, but I’ve found that the easier and more streamlined my note-taking apparatus is, the less effective it is at helping my memory to congeal. I just keep a scrap of paper handy and jot stuff down occasionally. I’m trying out a Techo this year, so that’s a step more sophisticated. Handwriting seems to be the important bit for me.

Re: Ideas that have been beaten to death

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Post by _dain_ »

sodimel wrote: post #15
bryans wrote: post #14

The problem with bookmarking overall is that it's very easy to click a button to save it for later, but very little of it ends up actually being read. It's basically a nice-to-have list, if there were infinite time and we had infinite energy. But we have neither, so we end up developing personal folder systems or installing extensions or utilizing SaaS, all in the hope that the links won't be dead by the time we can…

> you can just as easily google for I can't find most of the links I saved by using a search engine, and I think that's part of the problem.

I just save webpages I find interesting and throw them all into a single folder. When I want to find something I use grep. This beats link rot.

Re: Ideas that have been beaten to death

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Post by WJW »

bee_rider wrote: post #41
WJW wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the GP referred more to those people who write down a lot but (almost) never refer to their notes or review them. For many people, after several years they will have a giant repository of hundreds or thousands of notes with very poor organization and the value decreases rapidly because they can't find anything anymore.

Note taking is a memorization ritual for some people. Notes taken but not reviewed have still done their job if it helps the person remember.

True, up to a point. Taking one of the sibling comments as an example, by the time you have accumulated 20.000 notes the older notes will definitely start getting "crowded out" if you don't review them.

Re: Ideas that have been beaten to death

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Post by zh3 »

Local approach is a personal wiki; just drag the page to be 'bookmarked' into a relevant page on the wiki (or just a '/tmp' page for later sorting). I generally add the page title as the link name, makes for easy searching later. For example, I'd file this story as:-

  * [https://ruky.me/2022/02/01/ideas-that-have-been-beaten-to-death/ Ideas that been beaten to death] (ruky.me)
  ** [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30166357 HN discussion (2022)]
This shows up as a list of link in the wiki output:-

  * [Ideas that been beaten to death] (ruky.me)
   * [HN discussion (2022)]
The link for HN comments is so often used I've got it in a dedicated F key :)

Re: Ideas that have been beaten to death

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Post by rchaves »

rukshn wrote: post #12
rchaves wrote: post #4

Oh I’ve been building one! But mine is truly different™, basically I gave up the idea of organizing bookmarks, in favor of searching them instead, building your personal search engine In fact I’ve been blogging about it as I build it https://omnindex.substack.com/

Is it something offline? How does it index the pages you visit?

no it would be online, not the pages you visit but the ones you bookmark, I’m thinking of building a browser extension that watch your bookmarks and sends the links to be scrapped and indexed
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