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That wasn't really a cycles issue exactly, it was they used square windows rather than round, leading to stress concentrations. Per your last point, BAE and Hawker are still around. The UK also does plenty of Airbus work.
The stress concentration became a big problem because of the fatigue cycles though didn’t it? The manufacturers you mentioned are all military or regulatory sop manufacturers no? Though I guess Boeing isn’t much better, so meh.
New lightweight material is stronger than steel
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#142Re: New lightweight material is stronger than steel
#143Lots of old lightweight materials show tensile strength greater than steel. For instance, oh, nylon fiber is stronger than some steels, and way less dense: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_tensile_strength#Typi... One kind of steel, "ASTM steel" comes in at 400-500 MPa; nylon fibers at 900. Check out the Bamboo entry in the table. Human hair is also impressive.
In comparison, polyimide (PMDA-PPD), which also easily solvent processable, has a modulus of 8.9 GPa, and a yield strength of 350 MPa.
Less equal comparisons involve polymers that are molecuarly aligned by drawing, spinning, or chemical processes. Dyneema UHMEPE has a modulus of 110 GPa and a ultimate tensile strength of 3.5 GPa. Kevlar is similar; it utilizes interlocking hydrogen bonds to convey strength. Even stronger are glass fibers (>4 GPa tensile strength) or PAN carbon fiber (> 6 GPa tensile strength).
You of course lose some strength when you make composites out of fiber -- but irregardless this polymer is many times weaker and softer.
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#144Just a heads up - strength is not a single metric. There is tensile (pulling), compression, and shear (sliding) strength. There's also Young's modulus (how much something stretches), fatigue limits (steel can work perpetually with deformations under a certain threshold). There's also specific strength (strength per kg) vs strength per volume and strength per dollar. Steel also comes in lots of different flavors, with…
Also those metrics can vary with direction. For steel they're usually pretty uniform, but this new substance forms "2D sheets" so it's likely strength will be highly directional. Maximum tensile and compressive strength are likely to be 90° apart.
They also tested bulk plastic. It takes a long time to set, with hours in a gel phase, so epoxy-like mold pouring, flooring, and other bulk plastic applications are likely.
It might be awesome for bullet proof armor, safety equipment, and lightweight cordage and fabrics.
The synthesis is simple - it's an advance using polarized light at particular wavelengths in novel chemistry, probably inspired by the recent discovery in electrochemistry that can impose specific chirality on well known reactions.
Re: New lightweight material is stronger than steel
#145Lots of old lightweight materials show tensile strength greater than steel. For instance, oh, nylon fiber is stronger than some steels, and way less dense: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_tensile_strength#Typi... One kind of steel, "ASTM steel" comes in at 400-500 MPa; nylon fibers at 900. Check out the Bamboo entry in the table. Human hair is also impressive.
BIS80 has a yield strength in excess of 620 Mpa, and an ultimate tensile strength in the range 720 to 930 Mpa.
See here for more info https://www.bisalloy.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/BISAL...
BIS100 has a yield strength around the 890 MPa mark, and an ultimate tensile strength in the range 940 to 1100 MPa.
See here for more info https://www.bisalloy.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/BISAL...
Nylon is lighter, but it also loses about 20% of its tensile strength when wet.
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Titanium even more so. For those, they are actively swapped around where cost vs weight trade offs happen. steel vs aluminum vs magnesium, vs titanium in engineering application, where for example engine blocks, airplane parts, car parts, battery components, etc. all have a long history of this. It’s a complicated process because the trade offs are not simple cost/weight/strength. Steel has an nearly infinite fatigue…
+1 for thorough but: > Titanium is in theory much better, but is incredibly difficult to work with(requiring forgings in most cases, and being almost unmachinable), and very expensive as the bond it forms with oxygen is so strong the normal fluorine based processing used with Aluminum won’t work. Yeah, you read that right. I have a spoon bought from Amazon which they claim is made from titanium. [Lockheed_SR-71_Black…
Titanium is distinguished from steel, besides its raw strength/wt, in that it can be stretched a great deal without ever developing stress cracks.
People were very impressed when Russia took to making whole submarines out of titanium.
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#147Just a heads up - strength is not a single metric. There is tensile (pulling), compression, and shear (sliding) strength. There's also Young's modulus (how much something stretches), fatigue limits (steel can work perpetually with deformations under a certain threshold). There's also specific strength (strength per kg) vs strength per volume and strength per dollar. Steel also comes in lots of different flavors, with…
I’ve often heard that spider silk is stronger per kg (or is it per m^3?) than steel. Are they talking about pulling, compressing, sliding, or all of the above?
Spider silk has ultimate tensile strength comparable to some high-strength steels, around 1.4 GPa. Everyday steels are significantly weaker, around 0.4 GPa. Some steels have higher tensile strengths, like 2.6 GPa maraging steel. There are many materials with similar or higher tensile strengths: E-glass (3.5 GPa), carbon fiber (typically 4.1 GPa, 7 GPa for Toray T1100G), kevlar (3.8 GPa), zylon (5.8 GPa), boron (3.1 GPa), sapphire (1.9 GPa), diamond (2.8 GPa), graphene (130 GPa), dyneema (3 GPa). Some of these, like dyneema, are even comparable in density to spider silk. So what's so special about spider silk?
Where spider silk is outstanding is that it combines high strength with high extensibility. Think of rubber: cast iron or diamond are much stronger than a rubber tire in the sense that they can bear heavier loads on the same cross section, whether in tension, compression, or shear; but if you hit a cast iron pot or a diamond with a sledgehammer they will break, while a rubber tire will be unharmed. This is because the rubber deforms under the blow, slowing down the hammer without ever experiencing a very high force.
If you integrate the force on a spring over a distance (∫ F · dx), you get the change in the energy of the spring. If you integrate it over the spring's entire working range, you get its energy capacity as a spring. Every solid object is a spring, so you can do this for any solid object. "Stress" is force divided by cross-sectional surface area, and "strain" is extension divided by length, and the presumption of linear elasticity theory is that the stress–strain relation of a material, as well as its yield stress and breaking stress, are properties of the material rather than of particular objects made from it.
If, instead of integrating force over distance, you integrate stress over strain, you get the amount of deformation energy the material can absorb per unit volume without breaking, for example in an impact. That's the material's theoretical toughness.
All the other high-strength materials in the above list either deform plastically or break at under 10% extension; many of them break at under 0.1% extension. Spider silk breaks at 35%–500% extension. This makes some spider silks 10 times tougher than even kevlar.
Usually compressive, tensile, and shear strengths increase and decrease together; the biggest exception is when the material is full of cracks, like glass and concrete.
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#148Yay, Rearden Steel!
Rearden Steel was a dodgy startup company in Palo Alto around 25 years ago.
The book does not age at all well.
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I agree with concerns about recyclability. I would also raise concerns about the renewability and/or toxicity of the base materials. If they are petroleum-based, this feels like a losing proposition.
Unfortunately the recyclability and the lack of toxicity are contradictory, they cannot be satisfied simultaneously for this kind of materials. As long as the 2-dimensional polymeric sheets do not decompose, they will not be toxic, as they cannot enter a living cell (in the form of fine dust they could cause the same problems as any mineral dust, e.g. respiratory damage through purely mechanical action). However if t…
Re: New lightweight material is stronger than steel
#150Just a heads up - strength is not a single metric. There is tensile (pulling), compression, and shear (sliding) strength. There's also Young's modulus (how much something stretches), fatigue limits (steel can work perpetually with deformations under a certain threshold). There's also specific strength (strength per kg) vs strength per volume and strength per dollar. Steel also comes in lots of different flavors, with…
As a layman, I greatly enjoyed this one as a primer.