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Re: Final Fantasy VI – Ted Woolsey Uncensored Edition

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Post by skhr0680 »

solarmist wrote: post #9
pvg wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For whatever strange reason, people in this field call all sorts of minor changes in the text and images to better fit regional tastes and cultural norms 'censorship'. That's not to say some of these changes aren't ill-conceived or silly but the term makes it sound like something far more sinister than what it is. https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Censorship#Final_Fantas...

From the link: >Kefka's line when the party flees from him on chocobos was changed. In the Japanese version he says "ヒーーーー くっそ！ このかりは必ず返しますよ！", literally translated to "Arggg.... you scums! I will definitely pay you back for this!". In the overseas release, depending on the version, he either says "Son of a submariner! They'll pay for this..." (SNES/PSX version) or "Son of a sandworm! You'll pay for this..." (GBA/PC/…

Idk where the person who wrote that got “you scums” from.

In this case, kuso (lit. “shit”) is like “damn” in English. I think the bowdlerized versions of “SOB” are actually appropriate

Re: Final Fantasy VI – Ted Woolsey Uncensored Edition

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Post by cbozeman »

astrange wrote: post #16
drusepth wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found some (very mild) examples of censorship mentioned elsewhere [1], but I also don't understand the hype here: >In the original North American SNES version the spell Holy was renamed "Pearl", the summon "Jihad" was renamed to "Crusader", and Hell's Rider to "Rider". Many sprites were also censored. Overly revealing sprites, such as Siren, Lakshmi (Starlet), Alluring Rider (Critic), Chadarnook (woman), Goddess, P…

Gamers are obsessed with censorship and think that anything changed from the original region release is oppression, even if the original creators approved of it. Japan of course does censor some things too. This isn't enough to stop it from happening, because when you don't do it your entire release gets banned in other countries (UK and Australia are known for this.)

Everyone ought to be obsessed with censorship.

Allow creators to express themselves as they see fit, and to quote the late great Paul Mooney, "It offends people, but good... they should be offended."

Re: Final Fantasy VI – Ted Woolsey Uncensored Edition

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Post by pvg »

jevoten wrote: post #19
pvg wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For whatever strange reason, people in this field call all sorts of minor changes in the text and images to better fit regional tastes and cultural norms 'censorship'. That's not to say some of these changes aren't ill-conceived or silly but the term makes it sound like something far more sinister than what it is. https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Censorship#Final_Fantas...

Perhaps the people in this field would like to experience the tastes and norms of a different culture, so they don't appreciate this Bowdlerization. Would you edit Faust or the Illiad to "better fit regional tastes and cultural norms"? How about the Godfather?

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything I wrote but Faust and the Iliad are among the most retold, re-adapted, re-interpreted stories out there. That's a good thing, as is re-translating, re-editing, re-modding and re-everything-ing old games.

Re: Final Fantasy VI – Ted Woolsey Uncensored Edition

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Post by minism »

robbiex88 wrote: post #18

Surprised to see FFVI mentioned here in HN. That said, I HIGHLY recommend playing thru the recently released FFVI-T edition that's recently become available thanks to an incredible translation effort by Tomato. It corrects a number of mistranslations and adds a TON of content and scales up the difficulty. I thoroughly enjoyed the replay. The original release: http://tomato.fobby.net/ff6-t-edition/ Which now directs i…

Wow, thanks for the link. I might have to give this a shot the next time the FF6 itch comes up.

Re: Final Fantasy VI – Ted Woolsey Uncensored Edition

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Post by wk_end »

smoldesu wrote: post #15

I don't really have much to say here besides "play FFVI", so I'll just sing it's praises: it's one of the most underrated JRPGs ever made, even though it's still pretty well-known. Despite being overshadowed by it's successor, FFVI has always sat in my heart as having one of the most fascinating stories, best music and greatest characters of any SNES RPG, or SNES game in general. I hold it in higher regards than I do…

I don't know if this is a generational thing (I'm nearing my mid-30s) or what, but to hear FFVI described as "underrated" or just "pretty well-known" is so weird to me. In my circles it's always been considered the best Final Fantasy and the best 16-bit JPRG (or maybe second-best behind Chrono Trigger), maybe the best JPRG ever. Even though it's definitely exceptional, if I'm being honest I've always thought of it as a little overrated!

Re: Final Fantasy VI – Ted Woolsey Uncensored Edition

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Post by jevoten »

pvg wrote: post #23
jevoten wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the people in this field would like to experience the tastes and norms of a different culture, so they don't appreciate this Bowdlerization. Would you edit Faust or the Illiad to "better fit regional tastes and cultural norms"? How about the Godfather?

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything I wrote but Faust and the Iliad are among the most retold, re-adapted, re-interpreted stories out there. That's a good thing, as is re-translating, re-editing, re-modding and re-everything-ing old games.

But this was not a re-adaption or a re-interpretation, this was the only version available in the US, and marketed as the same game, only translated.

I honestly don't see how one could in good faith mistake a translation for a re-interpretation. What's next - because translation is somewhat subjective, that means anything goes?

Re: Final Fantasy VI – Ted Woolsey Uncensored Edition

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Post by aquova »

astrange wrote: post #17
smoldesu wrote: post #15

I don't really have much to say here besides "play FFVI", so I'll just sing it's praises: it's one of the most underrated JRPGs ever made, even though it's still pretty well-known. Despite being overshadowed by it's successor, FFVI has always sat in my heart as having one of the most fascinating stories, best music and greatest characters of any SNES RPG, or SNES game in general. I hold it in higher regards than I do…

There's finally a good official release of it on Steam. Every time they release it they mess something up - last time it was amateurish new graphics, this time it's "just" the English font is bad, but I think you can patch that.

I believe there will soon be another FFVI Steam port, in line with the recent 1-5 releases.

Re: Final Fantasy VI – Ted Woolsey Uncensored Edition

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Post by solarmist »

cbozeman wrote: post #22
astrange wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gamers are obsessed with censorship and think that anything changed from the original region release is oppression, even if the original creators approved of it. Japan of course does censor some things too. This isn't enough to stop it from happening, because when you don't do it your entire release gets banned in other countries (UK and Australia are known for this.)

Everyone ought to be obsessed with censorship. Allow creators to express themselves as they see fit, and to quote the late great Paul Mooney, "It offends people, but good... they should be offended."

I get your point, but I'm also not obsessed and railing against shitty translations.

To me this example is much more closely aligned with bad localization than actual censorship.

Re: Final Fantasy VI – Ted Woolsey Uncensored Edition

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Post by yuppie_scum »

drusepth wrote: post #6
solarmist wrote: post #4

Can someone explain the issue here? I loved FF VI (US III), but I haven't heard of it being censored. Edit: https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Censorship#Final_Fantas... Looks like the level of censorship is way below my threshold of what is "news", but a nice clean-up job nonetheless.

I found some (very mild) examples of censorship mentioned elsewhere [1], but I also don't understand the hype here: >In the original North American SNES version the spell Holy was renamed "Pearl", the summon "Jihad" was renamed to "Crusader", and Hell's Rider to "Rider". Many sprites were also censored. Overly revealing sprites, such as Siren, Lakshmi (Starlet), Alluring Rider (Critic), Chadarnook (woman), Goddess, P…

Creepy Edgar.

Re: Final Fantasy VI – Ted Woolsey Uncensored Edition

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Post by boomboomsubban »

wk_end wrote: post #25
smoldesu wrote: post #15

I don't really have much to say here besides "play FFVI", so I'll just sing it's praises: it's one of the most underrated JRPGs ever made, even though it's still pretty well-known. Despite being overshadowed by it's successor, FFVI has always sat in my heart as having one of the most fascinating stories, best music and greatest characters of any SNES RPG, or SNES game in general. I hold it in higher regards than I do…

I don't know if this is a generational thing (I'm nearing my mid-30s) or what, but to hear FFVI described as "underrated" or just "pretty well-known" is so weird to me. In my circles it's always been considered the best Final Fantasy and the best 16-bit JPRG (or maybe second-best behind Chrono Trigger), maybe the best JPRG ever. Even though it's definitely exceptional, if I'm being honest I've always thought of it as…

I'm of the same generation, and though I agree that in some circles it's widely praised as the best Final Fantasy in the mainstream it's extremely overshadowed by VII. It makes sense, VII sold about six times more copies than VI in the US
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