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North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet

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Re: North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet

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Post by tomphoolery »

wongarsu wrote: post #143
mlyle wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of the US wars since WWII have been formally declared wars. They're still wars. The conflict with North Korea ended with an armistice, not a formal treaty. The armistice intended for peace treaty discussions to start 3 months later... and they never really did. The US, UN Command, and North Korea are still operating under a temporary cease-fire that's now basically 70 years old. (I don't think South Korea even s…

If you're technically not at war then you can't at the same time be technically still at war. Neither side declared war against the other or is currently acting like they are at war, thus they aren't at war.

Tell that to the North Koreans :P

Re: North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet

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Post by DwnVoteHoneyPot »

edm0nd wrote: post #20
ballenf wrote: post #2

I would have advised him to stay quiet about this. Not out of fear of the North Koreans, but out of fear of our own security agencies seeing the activity as interfering in international relations. Also the vagueness of our hacking laws probably make what he did a crime. But I also am immensely proud that we have people willing to take things into their own hands when needed. Also, I feel like the 2nd amendment should…

I'm down with the right to own botnets under the 2A.

How do you create a botnet? By illegally accessing there people's equipment?

Re: North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet

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Post by jacquesm »

kelvin0 wrote: post #107
gunfighthacksaw wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if the reds start parachuting down over your community you should just sit pretty lest you interfere with your military’s operations? The equivalence is not a false one in my eyes because a cyberattack against a US national’s systems should be seen as an attack on a US national’s property.

Wow, the 'Reds' is a term which I had not seen in a while, feels like I'm watching an early 80's cold war movie.

I can see where the reference comes from, there isn't all that much to pick if you want to use a color:

https://abcnews.go.com/International/north-koreas-parade-big...

Re: North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet

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Post by tehjoker »

kingkawn wrote: post #86
tehjoker wrote: post #17

So your tools get stolen and you take down possibly critical infrastructure for huge numbers of people? Terrorism. Imagine someone did that to America in response to the NSA hacking them (read, most of the world's population all the time since the Bush administration). We celebrate that when it's done to official enemies.

Did you read the article?

They claim that this only affects "propaganda websites" but I honestly do not know how North Koreans use the intranet and what kind of access they have outside the country. Do you see reporters doing in-depth interviews regularly or NK citizens on english language websites? We should be very careful to qualify what we actually know about this country as it is a regime change target. This means most of what we read in the news about it will be war propaganda.

Re: North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet

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Post by ctdonath »

ballenf wrote: post #2

I would have advised him to stay quiet about this. Not out of fear of the North Koreans, but out of fear of our own security agencies seeing the activity as interfering in international relations. Also the vagueness of our hacking laws probably make what he did a crime. But I also am immensely proud that we have people willing to take things into their own hands when needed. Also, I feel like the 2nd amendment should…

Remember: the US Constitution includes "letters of marque" clause, empowering Congress to grant citizens' requests to wage private warfare against foreign entities. Wish people would exercise this option more.

Re: North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet

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Post by slickrick216 »

DietaryNonsense wrote: post #13

I see comments saying that he may be interfering with actual operations against NK or that now that he has done this they are more likely to patch their systems and be more secure, contradicting his own intentions. It's also entirely possible that this action, including the WIRED article and it's high visibility, is part of a broader effort and strategy. In reality we just won't know in this type of situation. Any ca…

Right isn’t this just spontaneous “patriotic Russian hackers” but with Americans.

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Post by curiousllama »

DietaryNonsense wrote: post #124
DietaryNonsense wrote: post #13

I see comments saying that he may be interfering with actual operations against NK or that now that he has done this they are more likely to patch their systems and be more secure, contradicting his own intentions. It's also entirely possible that this action, including the WIRED article and it's high visibility, is part of a broader effort and strategy. In reality we just won't know in this type of situation. Any ca…

A colleague asked me what I meant by this - what use would a WIRED article have? etc. Targets (individuals, interior or gapped networks, etc) can be difficult to identify or locate and are even more difficult to get access to. Consider that it may be easier to run an operation where you intentionally pseudo-identify a security researcher engaging in his own attack to draw attention. Better yet, this researcher is kno…

This is a good point. Can’t break into the vault without tripping the alarm, so you have a bunch of teenagers make a bonfire in the lobby.

Re: North Korea hacked him, so he took down its internet

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Post by mrbald »

tomphoolery wrote: post #151
wongarsu wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're technically not at war then you can't at the same time be technically still at war. Neither side declared war against the other or is currently acting like they are at war, thus they aren't at war.

Tell that to the North Koreans :P

Looks like every man and his dog is an expert on North Koreans. Did it occur to you that most citizen there are hostages of the own state and may be fighting hard to get a piece of bread on the table? I highly doubt they give a shit to the US, or the internet or the hacker wars of any kind.

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Post by markdown »

blueflow wrote: post #49
ballenf wrote: post #2

I would have advised him to stay quiet about this. Not out of fear of the North Koreans, but out of fear of our own security agencies seeing the activity as interfering in international relations. Also the vagueness of our hacking laws probably make what he did a crime. But I also am immensely proud that we have people willing to take things into their own hands when needed. Also, I feel like the 2nd amendment should…

That this article exists it a manifest of his failed OpSec... if you are a hacker and you are popular for it, you aren't doing a good job.

You know that most hacks don't involve physical access to the target device/infrastructure, right?
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