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Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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post #264

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If there is a car travelling the same direction as you but a bit to the right, then you are not in the rightmost lane.

How would the phone know the wifi signal is coming from your right?

Good point. Ok what about this then: Check the relative strength of cars travelling opposite way compared to same way.

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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Can confirm this behavior. While driving home yesterday the usual "enable Google location services" appeared on Google Maps after starting navigation mode, but if I dismissed it, it exited navigation mode.

Funny thing is that if I didn't dismiss it and left the popup there, I could see behind it that the navigation worked as usual.

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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In my experience they've always required me to go to a UPS store or retail location (Kohl's, Whole Foods, etc.) to process a return, even when it's a counterfeit product. Returns I've elected are a great process; being forced to run errands for a $trillion+ company because they've deceived you about the bedsheets they are selling is something else entirely.

There's a point to be made about how it's not possible for Amazon to check every single listing (made by other companies) for authenticity, nor they can use user feedback as a way to check/block those companies as many people use a different return reason than the real one (eg. "I don't like it" becomes "it's counterfeit"). It's unfortunate but you'll have to learn how to navigate the new amazon, and possibly use the…

I think this is definitely true - and it's enough that I just don't find it worthwhile to use the service anymore. The overhead of doing detective work to determine whether something might be counterfeit, and the too-commonly-realized risk that I'll need to re-pack something and schlep it to UPS makes it utterly not worthwhile.

One will basically never encounter this problem with, e.g., Target, Best Buy, NewEgg, Ikea, Bed, Bath, & Beyond, or other retailers - what makes Amazon preferable to any of those brands, when the diligence you described is required to shop there and not elsewhere?

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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Not related to Google maps, but just today I got tired of the Amazon app sending me "you might like this deal" notifications and dug into whether it's possible to disable them. You can , but if you do, Amazon will no longer send Amazon "Smile" micro-donations to whatever charity you've selected: https://i.imgur.com/wNAkUAT.jpeg . I can't say that this is underhanded, but it does cast into sharp relief the fact that A…

That's probably a violation of the App Store Review Guidelines; you're not allowed to withdraw app functionality unrelated to notifications if a user denies notification access; Apple has various language in various places that hints at 'you can't arbitrarily take away features to compel users to opt-in' being a core intent. If you're an Apple developer, and you're willing to stake that claim with Apple, you can repo…

You're talking about the Amazon app. Technically, the fact that you can add your credit card to pay for things violates the TOS. You never see anyone put up a fight against a giant.

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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It isn't about generating "free streetview photos" but actually about matching the imagery around you to the database of Street View photos they already have. If there is no match, it isn't going to take your photos and keep them... it has no accurate idea of where you are. The service is called Live View and is exceptionally useful (and optional) if you are in a foreign country where you are unfamiliar with street s…

I guess this is good to know. But doesn’t fit well with my experience with it. I am getting the pop-up while living in a first world city. Google maps is allowed to use wifi to help find me. And the dot representing my location is invariably in the correct spot. Yet, the pop-up still shows. Forgive me my suspicion since there is no practical reason why I need to improve my location accuracy when it is already very ac…

Well, why it pops up I can't really speak to (could easily be a product manager trying to boost engagement), but what it does is more of what I'm familiar with

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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FYI that uses their Live View to look at building and street view around you to better orient you. Kind of matches what you photo with what they know and orients you. Incredibly useful in places like Japan where you don’t have many readable street signs or dense urban canyons. It has nothing to do with some crazy nefarious google plot.

Do you know for sure that those pictures aren't uploaded to Google? Maybe not nefarious but its crazy that my gps navigation app prompts me to start taking pictures while driving to improve accuracy.

The feature only works while walking [0].

[0]https://www.pocket-lint.com/apps/news/google/147956-what-is-...

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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> non-essential data sharing But it is essential. Google (and Apple) maps provide lane specific navigation directions, which are really only possible with assisted GPS. In theory GPS has the accuracy, but remember you are in a big metal box filled with electrical wires. Not to mention other applications like isle specific navigation within stores, which is made possible by bluetooth beacons. Heck, we are on the verge…

Information about nearby devices is not essential for navigation, otherwise the permission wouldn't have been optional until now. It can improve the service in some situations, so the right way would be to explain the tradeoff and let the user control how much data is being shared.

Tinfoil hat: the number of US GPS satellites in operation has been going down, both in % of total satellites and in actual numbers over the years. I’d venture “US being able to rely on GPS” is probably not a great thing.

That being said, wanting more user data is probably the right answer.

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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post #396

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They can sell ads better if they know where you are. Wifi data is making that every easy and battery saving to track.

They already know where you are to a sufficiently high degree of precision with GPS. The battery matters to you, not to Google. Wifi ads next to nothing for Google.

Or more pedantically, Google knows where your device is to a sufficiently high degree of precision. They can't stop me from just leaving that shit home or in a faraday cage.

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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post #184

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> non-essential data sharing But it is essential. Google (and Apple) maps provide lane specific navigation directions, which are really only possible with assisted GPS. In theory GPS has the accuracy, but remember you are in a big metal box filled with electrical wires. Not to mention other applications like isle specific navigation within stores, which is made possible by bluetooth beacons. Heck, we are on the verge…

Maps routinely tells me to "use the right two lanes to exit", but it doesn't show any awareness of where I am. It says the same thing whether I'm in the left lane or the exit lanes. Are others getting directions like "merge two lanes to the right to exit"?

Similarly, I wish Maps would tell me the best lane to be in right now so that I have the minimum frustration with being in the proper lane for the next step.

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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post #380

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this was supported with Xprivacy many years ago and it was fantastic, but it stopped getting support. The entire pro-privacy android scene seems to have become a very small niche over the years

Can someone explain this to me? Have people just given up?

Yes, basically. After you root the device and install things like Xposed, "safety" feature called SafetyNet will most likely start reporting to apps that your device is untrusted. Google Pay, some banking apps and similar software may stop working or complain. There are still some ways to cloak the root and let SafetyNet pass but that may easily change with a simple Google Play Services OTA upgrade or something like that and it is simply not worth the risk for me personally. I don't want to spend days hacking around a recent update in order to regain the ability to pay with my phone, I don't want to block a queue of people when a payment machine displays generic rejection errors...
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