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Re: LibreOffice 7.3

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Post by momenti »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #26
unixhero wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strange, I never encounter any bugs. I am on Windows in corporate land and Linux at home, all good!

I don't even use LO that much, and I'm panic saving in cycle every time I do because it crashes of me so often. Hell, it crashed on me this week, on a 5 pages doc with images, text, one table and a few titles. Nothing fancy. I keep reading people saying it's stable for them, but I've was using it already when it was called OOo, before we had docx support, before docx even existed. And it always has been this buggy. I…

Be sure to use LibreOffice "still" rather than "fresh", i.e. the bottom one of the two version on their download page (which is the second latest, but more stable release): https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/

On Chocolatey that's `libreoffice-still`.

Re: LibreOffice 7.3

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Post by badsectoracula »

n8cpdx wrote: post #27
agilob wrote: post #23

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UI options or themes?

Both, which I think is part of the problem. They’re splitting engineering effort between Office 2003 style, Office 2007 (ish) style, and Office Online style UIs. They probably have less engineering resources than Microsoft Office and it shows.

I, on the other hand, really like that i can make LibreOffice Writer look like a slightly overgrown WordPad and i wouldn't like this customizability to be removed. I'm sure someone else likes to put their toolbars on the side or whatever.

And TBH the different UIs aren't really that big of a deal, they're just different arrangements of action buttons and menus, that is only a tiny fraction of the engineering effort that you'd need even for the word processor part and it isn't like they change their UI all the time.

Re: LibreOffice 7.3

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Post by pmontra »

vcgnjxfc444 wrote: post #46
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #43

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Document recovery will still lose a couple of minutes of work, or sometimes tells you your files is corrupted infortunatly. But even without that, it's more about your workflow being turned sub optimal that hurts. When I open VSCode, Inkscape or Thunderbird, I don't have to think about loosing my data. That makes things smoother :)

Sure. I guess im just old enough to remember the 1990s Microsoft Office shitshow.

I was about to post a similar comment. One of the reasons was that before memory protection (that different hardware already for ages) any rogue pointer could crash any other application or the OS. Developing software was an exercise of rebooting Windows. Ah, the reset button!

Re: LibreOffice 7.3

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Post by torstenvl »

Command: soffice Path: /Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/MacOS/soffice Identifier: org.libreoffice.script Version: 7.3.0.3 (7.3.0.3) Parent: launchd [1] PID: 539

Event: hang Duration: 1095.52s Duration Sampled: 1.00s (process was unresponsive for 1095 seconds before sampling) Steps: 10 (100ms sampling interval)

Hardware model: MacBookPro16,2 Active cpus: 8 Boot args: chunklist-security-epoch=0 -chunklist-no-rev2-dev chunklist-security-epoch=0 -chunklist-no-rev2-dev

Time Awake Since Boot: 1800s Time Since Wake: 1700s

And it still gets confused by footnotes from .docx files. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: LibreOffice 7.3

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Post by elcapitan »

Oh, nice. Just installed it and finally the font rendering in Writer on Macos looks nice. Is that a new thing? The last version I installed a while ago had very blurry rendering.

Re: LibreOffice 7.3

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Post by ravenstine »

As much as I still use LibreOffice, I can't help but feel that it's yesterday's software. Actually, that thought has gone through my mind for the last 15 years.

It's a behemoth, no doubt, and I'm glad it's around, but man is it clunky. For years it had pretty bad rendering on high DPI screens, the icons don't really match modern OSs (yeah that's nitpicky I know), and good luck theming it because any theming it supports has proven to me to be very inconsistent. While I wouldn't call LibreOffice slow, it's not as snappy as it should be.

I kind of wish someone would blow it up and start over while keeping the one great thing about LibreOffice... the 90's style hierarchical UI navigation as opposed to everything being buttons and ribbon bars.

Re: LibreOffice 7.3

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Post by awill »

I think LO is just too complicated. There's a reason Google Docs and Quip have done well, and it's because 99% of people don't need any of the complicated features LO offers.

It would just be easier to start from scratch with simpler goals (i.e. not an MS Office competitor) rather than re-engineer an extremely complicated codebase.

I've been using Linux since 2005. Back then I used to use AbiWord, which was really excellent. Unfortunately, it's more or less dead now.

These days where possible I use markdown. When I need more, I'd rather use Google Docs (if on Linux) or Microsoft Office (if on my work Mac).

Re: LibreOffice 7.3

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Post by adrian_b »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #26
unixhero wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strange, I never encounter any bugs. I am on Windows in corporate land and Linux at home, all good!

I don't even use LO that much, and I'm panic saving in cycle every time I do because it crashes of me so often. Hell, it crashed on me this week, on a 5 pages doc with images, text, one table and a few titles. Nothing fancy. I keep reading people saying it's stable for them, but I've was using it already when it was called OOo, before we had docx support, before docx even existed. And it always has been this buggy. I…

I believe that if regular crashes indeed exist, their cause must depend either on the Linux distribution and the combinations of libraries that are installed on the user computer or on the available memory size.

In that case the crashes are probably caused by bugs that are difficult to reproduce on the developer computers.

I have been using LibreOffice daily for many years, since almost immediately after it forked from OpenOffice. It continues to have various annoying behaviors, which I consider bugs (however less than those that I consider bugs in MS Office), but it never crashes on any of my computers.

However, I compile LibreOffice from source, on a Gentoo Linux.

The fact that LibreOffice never crashes in this particular configuration, does not give much information about how it might behave on Fedora or Ubuntu, because LibreOffice uses a very large number of external libraries and the crashes could depend on their versions.

Besides the dependence on the Linux distribution, there might be a dependence on the available memory. I do not have any computer with less than 32 GB RAM. Maybe the crashes are possible only on computers with less installed memory.

Re: LibreOffice 7.3

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Post by SanchoPanda »

Libreoffice is an integral piece of software, but I often bump into messages like the below, which does not exactly instill confidence if a workbook is important.

  Warning loading document SomeDocumentFinalVFUpdatedActuallyFinal.xlsx: The data could not be loaded completely because the maximum number of columns per sheet was exceeded.
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